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Rendlesham forest incident aliens at all

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it was completely silent it comes right

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flying-saucer really standing in the

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clearing he turned over to my father and

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held his hand and he looked in his eyes

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your host we have Alejandro Rojas coming

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tonight is the night I'm gonna do a

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little shout out for supporters now I'm

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going to do just random names because

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and there's many more and I'll announce

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the names again or different names maybe

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the following week I also want to draw a

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gets the t-shirt how about that

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congratulations Donna so we are ready to

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bring in the one and the only Alejandro

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Rojas hey that's me that's you what's

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going on this week there's all kinds of

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stuff going on all week we've got a lot

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of story so I picked some that I thought

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you might find interesting here to talk

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about far away buddy this first one had

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some good news you know we talk a lot

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about UFOs of course your shows based on

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it everything that we do here is based

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on it at open mind but with all the UFOs

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flying around out there luckily none of

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them are pestering the people of Japan

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defense minister on April 1st the

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defense minister responded to some

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questions about threats from space and

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this was printed in Japan Times they

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reported that the questions came from a

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quote flamboyant wrestler turned

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lawmaker Antonio Inoki but he asked

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during a budget Q&A type of thing if the

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military dispatches jets to intercept

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extraterrestrial spacecraft

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the defense minister said that we do

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launch jets when we detect unidentified

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flying objects however they usually turn

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out to be Birds or other aircraft or

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other flying objects but as far as they

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know none of them have ever been from

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anywhere other than Earth so interesting

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that he should have that answer but it

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also gave Jason wrote this story and it

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gave him an opportunity to write about

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other japanese

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who have had a different opinion so for

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instance the wife of former Prime

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Minister Yukio Hatoyama

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Katayama he the book saying that the way

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I pronounce the name that was good

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yo-yo ma she talked about how she hurt

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while she was sleeping her spirit left

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her and flew around in a triangular UFO

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to Venus this was in a book that she

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wrote other more down to earth I guess

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opinions have come from a parliament

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member Ryoji Yamani in 2007 he said that

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it was really important that the

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government collect UFO information for

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national security sake and for public

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interests and with amid you know so many

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eyewitness reports of UFOs out there

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also in 2007 the defense minister said

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that there were no grounds to deny that

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there are unidentified objects and some

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other life-form controlling them so a

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couple of people in the military or

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government of Japan that have been into

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UFOs but I guess you know there you go

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Wow you know I hate that when my spirit

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goes in a triangle UFO and goes to Venus

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disk does that happen to you often oh

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you know not not all that often but you

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know the triangle I just I just don't

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like the triangle like the disc much

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better triangular the hard edges are

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more of the masculine type of thing the

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round curves are usually more feminine

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and if I'm to be swept away just you

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know I would rather be swept away by a

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feminine sort of energy or feel as well

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yeah you're preaching to the choir here

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buddy so what else is you say you have a

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lot of stories are you going to just

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talk a lot of stories I'm just gonna

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yeah pick from them so I'd picked three

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and there are a lot of really good MUFON

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stories that Roger Marsh has posted on

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our site lately one of those is from a

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military witness

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who says that he was out having a

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cigarette this is in Georgia and he saw

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a it was about 11 o'clock at night on

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February 2nd and he saw what he

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describes as a kind of a cigar shaped

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silhouette against the Stars and there

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were four lights on the object he said

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the two middle ones were bright were

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brightest he says that he has spent six

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years in the military and four of those

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were with special operations and he

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knows everything that is flying up there

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but he couldn't tell what the heck this

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thing was he was pretty floored by the

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whole thing then he says soon after he

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sees that it's followed by a Black Hawk

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helicopter like he says a black hawk or

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a Jayhawk one is like you know I they're

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both the same helicopter but they're

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used by I think ones used by Coast Guard

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when Jews by like the Navy and they just

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have different names for who's using

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this sukhiya

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helicopter but anyway he said he could

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tell it was this type of helicopter from

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the configuration of the lights in the

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back so that's kind of a really

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interesting exciting from a pretty

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credible witness there so that's one of

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some very interesting MUFON reports that

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have come recently he also did draw a

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couple of sketches of what he saw and

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those can be seen at the story but last

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guest I had on last week I see was a Air

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Force pilot and I I said to him what

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happens to all these you know like Air

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Force Navy whoever it is helicopters or

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jets that are chasing UFOs why don't the

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pilots ever talk about it he basically

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said you know while you're in the

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service you definitely can't and it's

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it's you know if you go into being a

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commercial pilot which a lot of Air

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piloting you know you can't talk about

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it there either mm-hmm although with the

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I've always heard with the airliners you

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know commercial airlines it's more of a

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taboo kind of thing where you don't want

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to be seen as weird and they don't want

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you to mention the

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who you're working for but I've known

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some pilots even who do talks but yeah

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the air force guys I guess are

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especially worried because they could be

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grounded and that's like you know the

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worst thing you can do to a jet fighter

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pilot or a pilot is to ground them so

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stop it's like taking the microphone

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away from us you know no man would I be

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God God help the person who tries to do

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that right so we got two more stories or

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one I'm totally one more story all right

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but this is exciting and this is

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foretelling possibly of what we're gonna

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be seeing in the future and this is

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Hillary Clinton in her office being

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asked about UFOs because as you can see

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and I've linked to it in our story that

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you know Hillary and the Clintons and

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John Podesta

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who was Bill Clinton's chief of staff

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and he's come out talking about UFOs

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Clinton has talked about how he looked

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into UFOs there's a whole UFO thing

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there with Clintons and the people they

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work with

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and so Mother Jones decided to do a

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story on this they interviewed Stephen

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Bassett and Michael Sawa Stephen Bassett

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was essentially saying hey you know

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there's a lot going on here we need to

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pay attention he pointed out that John

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Podesta had recently tweeted that he

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said one of his biggest failures in 2014

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was not to secure the disclosure of the

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UFO FILES a lot of people thought he was

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kidding around Bassett says no way so

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does Michael Saleh Michael Saleh says

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that we are interacting with 17

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different types of alien civilizations

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and that when Obama recently was on

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Jimmy Kimmel and he says you know the

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UFOs are controlling or the aliens

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control what we say and do that he takes

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it you know pretty seriously and so he

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thinks this is an indication that

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there's going to be a release of

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information and he feels that Hillary

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Clinton running for president

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essentially I guess he's saying he

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doesn't say this explicitly but he

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thinks she's going to win and

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and she's going to work towards

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disclosing UFO information so Mother

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Jones tried to get ahold of Podesta and

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Clinton but as it would not comment on

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his tweet but Clinton's office did

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respond and yeah interesting huh and a

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spokesman from her office said with that

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Arnon campaign because of course she's

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not officially running for president yet

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our non campaign has a strict policy of

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not commenting on extraterrestrial

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activity but the truth is out there pum

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pum pum those exact words

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yeah those exact words how about that

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they maybe had been aware of Podesta's

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tweet because he does have a hashtag

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that says the truth is still out there

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of course the truth is out there comes

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from the x-files yeah what you're

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starting up this summer so x-files is

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big news so the Nick Merrill who was the

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representative for the Clinton's office

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must have been familiar with one of

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those that to use that term but the

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question is yeah what will she win and

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if she does is she gonna want anything

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to do with UFOs other government files

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on that Grant Cameron had retrieved

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there's a more that I wrote about

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there's some more history but you know

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Laurance Rockefeller who has since

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passed away when he you know was

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practically on his deathbed funded in

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the nineties some paranormal research

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and he was friends with the Clinton and

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he talked with them about UFOs and and

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trying to research UFOs and there was

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some documents showing that his

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correspondence was going through

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Hillary's office when she was first lady

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so she at least has she talked to

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rockefeller about them she hasn't

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personally shown or said she's had any

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interest really a picture of her holding

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I think was Leslie Cain's book no I've

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seen that picture because we're the ones

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who broke that story

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actually it was a guy Anthony coos in

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and he worked with he posted this

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information on open minds forum which

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was not our forum everybody thought it

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was but they were friends of ours so we

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work closely with them and I saw that he

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posted he had zoomed in on this picture

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of Hillary walking with Laurance

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Rockefeller and everybody suspected they

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were talking about aliens and UFOs but

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nobody knew for sure but he was able to

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zoom in and identify a book that Hillary

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is holding when she is talking with with

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Rockefellers so we wrote a whole thing

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we had a video where I talked about this

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and and it's it's in the story but it

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actually was a book by Paul David oh

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okay yeah who's an astronomer out here

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at ASU and I think he's from Australia

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but he works in astrobiology and it was

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a book about the philosophical

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implications of you know us discovering

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extraterrestrials so but it was about

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ETS so yeah really interesting that she

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should have that book in her arm

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um when she's walking do we know

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did he give that book to her did she

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bring it to give to him because you know

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she thought some of those information

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was interesting it's hard to say we

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don't know for sure but it's a strong

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indication that they did you know talk

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about this sort of thing during that

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visit you know and here's how rumors

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start me thinking that it was Lesley

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Kane's book

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speaking of Lesley came though the last

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time I had Stephen Bassett on my show

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she was a bit upset I got it she almost

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was on my show the next week to talk

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really but she was upset about Stephen

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Bassett really taking Podesta's tweet so

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seriously and she said you have to treat

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him with total respect and not try to

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engage in this way she was pretty upset

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well you know what i I understand how

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people this is a pet peeve of mine I

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mean I I'm a big fan of Leslie Kane and

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she's extremely careful about how

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she approaches the topic and that's why

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she's the one who's gotten Podesta to

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come out and talk about UFOs more than

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anyone because she is careful right so

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Leslie Kane is someone who knows Podesta

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I think she's gonna be the best source

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in ufology as to what Podesta meant when

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he tweeted that researchers should be

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getting a hold of her and finding out

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what she has to say before they start

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spouting opinions like their fact and I

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totally agree with her there and and she

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says you know she's very familiar with

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his wry sense of humor it would be to

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her advantage if he was serious and if

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she thought he was serious and he was

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she would say that I'm sure it would be

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good for her to say hey guys I just

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confirmed with Podesta he really was

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bumped he didn't get the UFO FILES out

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but she's certain that he was joking

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around

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yeah yes that that means a lot so it is

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frustrating that you know both of these

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guys masala and Bassett you know have

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have kind of take this stuff and run

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they take their speculation and they

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build these kind of ideas that are just

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not substantiated and there's so many

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people that claim responsibility for all

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of this political action that happened

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and of course they all can't be right

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and most likely none of them are right

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so yeah I understand her frustration

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yeah well I'm glad we talked about all

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this because I think it's I think it's

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really important too because you know

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it's just like me saying her that was

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her book in Hillary's hands and that

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next thing you know you know someone's

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talking about it and you know it goes on

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it's the same exact thing some are not

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really confirming the facts and talking

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about it Leslie's right you're part of

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the problem I am part of the problem no

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you're my fear gate guy sometimes all

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right alejandro we'll talk to you next

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week no we won't talk next week okay

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we'll be that way yeah well I'm going to

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Vegas baby

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all right you aren't actually NAB the

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National Association of Broadcasters so

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you probably might be aware of it so

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lots of toys when it comes to

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whether you're small time or you're

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making movies and audio whether you're

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podcasters like us or big time you know

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they have tons and tons of vendors and

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stuff so we're gonna go check out the

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latest and greatest technology because

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we need to update some of our equipment

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here at open mind and so yeah I'm gonna

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be in Vegas that's sweet I'm happy well

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you got a week off hey you know speaking

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of that I have a whole set up here in my

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studio a $700 studio mic mm-hm and when

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I was on the burns show Nancy and bill

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burns the other day they sounded better

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than me and I said what now eyes using

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dot twenty five dollar headset mmm yeah

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I know I talked to them about that too

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when I was on their show and I had the

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same headset because I think we got the

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advice from the same person and so I

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used to use that headset now I have this

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small little mic that I love to death

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because it's a USB mic but this mic I

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think was like 30 40 bucks to so I I

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mean yeah I've learned you don't got to

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spend hundreds of dollars to have some

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good sound yeah that's where it goes

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well you have a good week officer and

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see you the following week so hang in

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there right after the music break we'll

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you

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well hello Leo welcome to the show

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thank you very much yes I had we had

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just a couple minutes to talk ahead of

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the show and I I think I mentioned too

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could you get a little bit closer to the

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phone the show producer saying you just

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need to be a little bit closer if you

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would I can tell yes that's that's real

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good thank you

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okay I have heard your name since I

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started looking at this topic your name

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comes up all the time yeah

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can you go into your background if you

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would how you got interested in the

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topic and basically I'd really be

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interested you know first of all how you

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get interested but what was the first

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you know case or whatever that you

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looked into because of my own

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experiences when I was a child I had

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experiences I couldn't understand

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explain you know nightmares later as it

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got older I was able to understand more

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about what had happened but consciously

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the first event was in 1949 when a buddy

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and I at the University of Colorado we

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were students are we had a sighting we

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were walking along the campus near the

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Arts and Science Building and we were

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playing this little game because we

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hadn't heard a speaker talk about

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science and reality and what's true and

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what's not true

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and so we were playing this little game

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well what do you see over there while I

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call it the tree well how do you

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describe it well it's got trunk and it's

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got branches and it's got leaves

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I think it has roots but I can't see

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them because they're under the ground

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and then my friend looked at what do you

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see over there and what was it well I

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looked at it it wasn't an airplane

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wasn't a balloon looked elliptical like

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a lens and there was a light gleaming on

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the edge and if the sunlight was rich

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so we talked about it but we didn't want

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to tell anybody else because flying

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saucers in 1949 worked and readily

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accepted by the public mmm

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then my wife and I had a sighting after

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I came back from Germany

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I'd been when I graduated I went into

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the US Army overseas and came back and

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in graduate school University of

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Colorado Boulder and we were coming back

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from Denver one evening even topped the

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hill looking over the valley and we saw

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this strange light come on II would

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hover and they would move it would hover

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to move well it wasn't an airplane we

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didn't know what it was we saw several

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car lights down below I assumed other

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people were stopping like we did and

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getting out and looking at it I've been

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after a while it went north and

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disappeared from view but the feeling I

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had inside was okay twice now given an

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opportunity to see something anomalous

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so I knew that I had to study the

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phenomena I also knew that it'd be

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lonely and perceived as weird yeah so I

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said okay let's get the doctorate and

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then it that way instead of being crazy

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just merely eccentric went to the

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University of Missouri and graduated

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with the PhD doctor in philosophy

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especially in counseling psychology in

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1961 went to the University of North

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Dakota and after I had the results of

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the dissertation published I I studied

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the permanence of vocational interests

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and then based upon measured vocational

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interest after I had that published but

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then I started doing UFO studies I wrote

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to various people can you pardon me can

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you tell me approximately what year that

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that was right after yeah yeah 1960

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I went there at night 1961 when I

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graduated from University of Missouri

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then went to North Dakota and so as 6263

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I became invested in UFO research I

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developed little survey asking people

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their background educational vocational

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background and then what they saw what

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they observed how they responded to it

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so I got a several sets of surveys

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including Betty and Barney Hill because

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their case came out about that time

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right yeah and then 64 and 60 62 63 for

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I not only started surveying people but

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I joined organizations I joined what was

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called a pearl aerial phenomena research

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organization out of Arizona Jim and

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Karla Remsen and night-cap the national

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investigations committee on aerial

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phenomena those two organizations later

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folded and so I consulted the people in

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MUFON mutual UFO network plus other

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groups so it's been a interesting

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history Wow well yeah I have I have a

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lot of questions but I just want to say

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to people who are listening live a

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couple things you can jump over to

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podcast UFO calm and on the Left right

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sidebar you can jump in our chat room

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00:26:09,140 --> 00:26:06,690
and ask dr. Leo sprinkles some questions

544
00:26:12,860 --> 00:26:09,150
also you can call into the show if you'd

545
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:12,870
like and that's six zero three nine six

546
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seven four OH three oh and I also forgot

547
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:20,670
to mention that we are going to be

548
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:24,720
talking in our two more about we're

549
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:26,610
gonna go off the UFO topic a little bit

550
00:26:31,910 --> 00:26:28,650
now or two in talk about some other

551
00:26:35,380 --> 00:26:31,920
things that dr. sprinkle has been

552
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:35,390
interested in free energy ideas

553
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:37,250
Niccolo

554
00:26:45,580 --> 00:26:40,730
Nikola tester a Tesla and some other

555
00:26:48,610 --> 00:26:45,590
things as well so now going back to

556
00:26:52,450 --> 00:26:48,620
Betty and Barney Hill did you actually

557
00:26:53,710 --> 00:26:52,460
invest investigate that case yes they

558
00:26:56,350 --> 00:26:53,720
were willing to fill out the information

559
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:56,360
about their experience and then later I

560
00:27:05,850 --> 00:27:01,279
had the opportunity to talk with them on

561
00:27:08,980 --> 00:27:05,860
a New York TV program in 1966

562
00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:08,990
interesting things happened dr. Carl

563
00:27:17,919 --> 00:27:12,289
Sagan and others were there we were

564
00:27:23,980 --> 00:27:17,929
interviewing Barney Hill and at one

565
00:27:26,169 --> 00:27:23,990
point dr. Carl Sagan turned to Betty he

566
00:27:29,499 --> 00:27:26,179
said now mrs. Hill he said you say that

567
00:27:32,850 --> 00:27:29,509
your memory based upon the hypnosis

568
00:27:36,369 --> 00:27:32,860
session with dr. Benjamin Simon he was a

569
00:27:37,810 --> 00:27:36,379
psychiatrist that they meant to to help

570
00:27:40,299 --> 00:27:37,820
him understand more about their

571
00:27:44,409 --> 00:27:40,309
experience he said you say you remember

572
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:44,419
fun being on a examining table and the

573
00:27:51,159 --> 00:27:48,080
extra-terrestrial was examining you with

574
00:27:54,340 --> 00:27:51,169
a probe in their navel and she said yes

575
00:27:56,019 --> 00:27:54,350
and any kind of smile and in his

576
00:27:58,690 --> 00:27:56,029
charming way and he said no we're all

577
00:28:00,639 --> 00:27:58,700
amateur psychologists here and then he

578
00:28:01,090 --> 00:28:00,649
glanced with me and he's oh I'm sorry

579
00:28:03,549 --> 00:28:01,100
about that

580
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:03,559
I said that's how I my friends think of

581
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me as an amateur psychologist and he was

582
00:28:12,879 --> 00:28:09,590
about to tell her and the viewing

583
00:28:15,070 --> 00:28:12,889
audience that there was a psychological

584
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:15,080
explanation for her experience I thought

585
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,080
that was arrogant all right so even

586
00:28:22,509 --> 00:28:20,240
though he was charming when he did it I

587
00:28:25,419 --> 00:28:22,519
still feel like it was an indication of

588
00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:25,429
how he was rejecting what she claimed

589
00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:30,169
was a physical on board experience so

590
00:28:35,710 --> 00:28:31,929
that taught me and something along with

591
00:28:39,820 --> 00:28:35,720
that same year I was at a New York TV

592
00:28:44,889 --> 00:28:39,830
program when dr. J Allen Hynek dr.

593
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:44,899
Shockley's we were with some astronomers

594
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:47,130
from Harvard

595
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:52,810
and it was intriguing because the the

596
00:28:59,460 --> 00:28:55,570
name of the TV program was flying

597
00:29:01,560 --> 00:28:59,470
saucers a fact or fiction and those days

598
00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:01,570
the game was played between two groups

599
00:29:06,540 --> 00:29:04,020
of people one when one group is labeled

600
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:06,550
skeptics and one group was labeled that

601
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:09,850
believers and the believers we were kind

602
00:29:12,930 --> 00:29:11,440
of muddled headed and we didn't really

603
00:29:17,730 --> 00:29:12,940
know what we're talking about we didn't

604
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:17,740
know astronomical phenomena etc whereas

605
00:29:23,670 --> 00:29:20,640
the skeptics were portrayed as now any

606
00:29:26,690 --> 00:29:23,680
intelligent and educated but also as

607
00:29:30,090 --> 00:29:26,700
much more in tune with what was going on

608
00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:30,100
all over the years the game changed from

609
00:29:35,670 --> 00:29:33,310
skeptics versus believers to skeptics

610
00:29:38,790 --> 00:29:35,680
and debunkers we found out that some

611
00:29:41,850 --> 00:29:38,800
people were paid to make light of this

612
00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:41,860
and to make people afraid to talk about

613
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,340
their experiences or as some of the

614
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:46,720
believers were also knowers some of us

615
00:29:54,150 --> 00:29:49,210
had been on board craft and talked with

616
00:29:56,580 --> 00:29:54,160
ETS and so the game changed and then of

617
00:30:01,230 --> 00:29:56,590
course it was much more difficult to

618
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:01,240
talk about that publicly because the air

619
00:30:06,330 --> 00:30:04,050
force representatives and others really

620
00:30:09,210 --> 00:30:06,340
held the sway

621
00:30:12,210 --> 00:30:09,220
it wasn't until just more recently that

622
00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:12,220
people are becoming beginning to not

623
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:17,350
only be observers but witnesses a not

624
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:21,370
only see flying saucers animation they

625
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:23,770
see extraterrestrials but they also

626
00:30:29,580 --> 00:30:26,640
testify to their experience and then

627
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:29,590
some of the witnesses are also reporters

628
00:30:37,380 --> 00:30:34,570
they're writing their stories and giving

629
00:30:39,870 --> 00:30:37,390
people information about what they have

630
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:39,880
experienced so that's a really exciting

631
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:44,110
trend Wow

632
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:47,200
we have a couple of questions up on the

633
00:30:51,090 --> 00:30:49,330
message board and again people are

634
00:30:53,810 --> 00:30:51,100
welcome to callin if they want six oh

635
00:30:58,490 --> 00:30:53,820
three nine six seven four OH three oh

636
00:31:00,360 --> 00:30:58,500
they want to know were you the first

637
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:00,370
psychologist to

638
00:31:09,150 --> 00:31:04,960
use hypnosis with abductees as far as I

639
00:31:13,380 --> 00:31:09,160
know there may have been a psychologist

640
00:31:18,090 --> 00:31:13,390
in the US Air Force who were using

641
00:31:20,850 --> 00:31:18,100
hypnosis but unknown publicly that's the

642
00:31:24,060 --> 00:31:20,860
possibility so I don't know whether on

643
00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:24,070
the first but course dr. Benjamin Simon

644
00:31:30,660 --> 00:31:27,310
he was a psychiatrist he said Betty and

645
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:30,670
Barney Hill 61 and I didn't start

646
00:31:38,340 --> 00:31:34,450
hypnosis until in the middle 60s after I

647
00:31:41,550 --> 00:31:38,350
had gathered information from many

648
00:31:44,250 --> 00:31:41,560
people then I realized and talking with

649
00:31:48,330 --> 00:31:44,260
Betty and Barney Hill at that T TV

650
00:31:49,770 --> 00:31:48,340
program in 66 that dr. Simon had helped

651
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:49,780
him with hypnosis oh well I know

652
00:31:57,180 --> 00:31:52,000
hypnosis so I'll help people and so I

653
00:32:00,680 --> 00:31:57,190
started working with a guy in Boulder

654
00:32:03,330 --> 00:32:00,690
Colorado about his experience and then

655
00:32:05,730 --> 00:32:03,340
when herb Sherman I don't know if you

656
00:32:11,540 --> 00:32:05,740
heard that name but he was a patrolman

657
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:11,550
for the Nebraska State Highway and he

658
00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:14,880
went to the University of Colorado

659
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:17,710
during the Condon committee I think that

660
00:32:23,790 --> 00:32:20,220
was in 68 I had an opportunity to

661
00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:23,800
interview him and see if hypnosis would

662
00:32:31,290 --> 00:32:26,710
be helpful he was nervous because it was

663
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:31,300
on you know televised and and so we got

664
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:33,130
some information and later he worked

665
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:34,720
with another hypnotist and got more

666
00:32:42,060 --> 00:32:37,510
information so that was probably one of

667
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:42,070
the earlier hypnosis sessions publicly

668
00:32:46,980 --> 00:32:45,850
known yeah the show producer is asking

669
00:32:51,150 --> 00:32:46,990
you if you could move a little bit

670
00:32:55,020 --> 00:32:51,160
closer to the mic all right I know it's

671
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:55,030
always hard to stay in the habit but did

672
00:33:01,140 --> 00:32:58,960
you did you ever speak to dr. Simon

673
00:33:13,769 --> 00:33:01,150
about bet him the Betty and Barney Hill

674
00:33:15,749 --> 00:33:13,779
no I see okay and do you remember the

675
00:33:19,169 --> 00:33:15,759
excuse me you said it's a possibility

676
00:33:22,409 --> 00:33:19,179
that in the Air Force someone may have

677
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:22,419
been using hypnotism would that possibly

678
00:33:28,889 --> 00:33:25,570
be in either like project sign or blue

679
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:28,899
blue book or anything like that or a

680
00:33:34,979 --> 00:33:31,450
different possibility there have been

681
00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:34,989
people who are called insiders who have

682
00:33:41,129 --> 00:33:39,609
talked about their experience and some

683
00:33:45,450 --> 00:33:41,139
people have said that there were not

684
00:33:51,629 --> 00:33:45,460
only dead bodies on the Roswell crash

685
00:33:55,259 --> 00:33:51,639
but also there were some entities who

686
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,269
are alive so maybe that there were

687
00:34:01,589 --> 00:33:57,519
psychologists or other trained

688
00:34:03,479 --> 00:34:01,599
professionals who interviewed the a-team

689
00:34:05,549 --> 00:34:03,489
in that regard

690
00:34:08,779 --> 00:34:05,559
more recently there's some interesting

691
00:34:11,069 --> 00:34:08,789
people who have combined their

692
00:34:13,799 --> 00:34:11,079
experiences there's a woman named Jaclyn

693
00:34:16,589 --> 00:34:13,809
Smith out of Ohio she she's written a

694
00:34:19,409 --> 00:34:16,599
couple of books on animal communication

695
00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:19,419
there's a woman named Judy Carroll from

696
00:34:26,339 --> 00:34:22,510
Australia and a woman that I interviewed

697
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:26,349
many years ago Sahni Seiko she lives in

698
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:32,079
Colorado and Ulrich editor of a little

699
00:34:38,909 --> 00:34:35,169
journal called star beacon introduced me

700
00:34:42,419 --> 00:34:38,919
to her she had described her memory of a

701
00:34:45,930 --> 00:34:42,429
previous lifetime when she was an

702
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:45,940
extraterrestrial and she's written a

703
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:49,359
couple of books on her memories one

704
00:34:56,669 --> 00:34:53,770
called stranded on earth where she felt

705
00:34:59,130 --> 00:34:56,679
that she was an extraterrestrial a grey

706
00:35:05,370 --> 00:34:59,140
what some people call it an eight Zeta a

707
00:35:08,789 --> 00:35:05,380
little grey humanoid piloting craft that

708
00:35:11,789 --> 00:35:08,799
crashed in Roswell New Mexico well now

709
00:35:14,210 --> 00:35:11,799
some Jacqueline Smith and Judy Carroll

710
00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:14,220
and have kind of team that they're both

711
00:35:20,010 --> 00:35:17,529
bright people haven't met Judy Carol but

712
00:35:22,769 --> 00:35:20,020
she's hoping to come to us from

713
00:35:28,050 --> 00:35:22,779
Australia either this year or next year

714
00:35:31,410 --> 00:35:28,060
and they are recalling

715
00:35:34,490 --> 00:35:31,420
what they feel were past life as crew

716
00:35:38,250 --> 00:35:34,500
members on craft that crashed in Roswell

717
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:38,260
it's intriguing to me because they seem

718
00:35:44,490 --> 00:35:41,770
to have not only similar memories but

719
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:44,500
they also seem to have similar intent

720
00:35:52,290 --> 00:35:47,170
and that is like so many people who are

721
00:35:56,670 --> 00:35:52,300
so-called eg experiences or star seed or

722
00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:56,680
contactees or whatever one called

723
00:36:02,730 --> 00:35:58,930
themselves they seem to have the intent

724
00:36:06,090 --> 00:36:02,740
that they are here to assist humanity to

725
00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:06,100
not only recognize its past from the

726
00:36:13,140 --> 00:36:09,670
stars but that now we're ready to start

727
00:36:15,570 --> 00:36:13,150
moving back into the stars and so they

728
00:36:17,940 --> 00:36:15,580
want to be on the side of those who are

729
00:36:22,670 --> 00:36:17,950
peaceful rather than those who are

730
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:22,680
exploiting what seems to be the

731
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:25,930
resources of the planet and what seem to

732
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:30,970
be the main human interest some people

733
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:35,290
talk about let's call the Anunnaki the

734
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:41,970
ancient ETS who came down from the sky

735
00:36:49,950 --> 00:36:46,720
according to this view these ancient ETS

736
00:36:53,940 --> 00:36:49,960
were both good and bad from the

737
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:53,950
standpoint of humanity both made

738
00:36:58,770 --> 00:36:54,850
martians

739
00:37:02,880 --> 00:36:58,780
who supposedly set up shop in the

740
00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:02,890
atlantis northern hemisphere and then

741
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:06,910
the Venetians who supposedly had a

742
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:10,770
civilization memoria in South Pacific

743
00:37:18,420 --> 00:37:14,410
two different groups and according to

744
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:18,430
Zecharia Sitchin's who was born in

745
00:37:24,510 --> 00:37:22,240
russia grew up in England and from why

746
00:37:26,910 --> 00:37:24,520
was living in the u.s. he he was one

747
00:37:32,430 --> 00:37:26,920
among the few who could read the ancient

748
00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:32,440
script of the symbols of those ancient

749
00:37:40,260 --> 00:37:34,030
scrolls and according to his

750
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:40,270
interpretation the Venetians settled

751
00:37:46,770 --> 00:37:43,290
when when Lori went down they settle in

752
00:37:51,140 --> 00:37:46,780
on a southern Egypt high up in the

753
00:37:54,780 --> 00:37:51,150
mountains and the Martians settled in

754
00:37:57,660 --> 00:37:54,790
northern Egypt down in the valley next

755
00:38:01,770 --> 00:37:57,670
to the Mediterranean Sea so according to

756
00:38:07,290 --> 00:38:01,780
that theory or that history there were

757
00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:07,300
both remnants of Atlantis marshes and

758
00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:16,150
Mars in Egypt

759
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:21,670
well then along comes one of the Kings

760
00:38:33,780 --> 00:38:26,050
King Todd who claims that there is only

761
00:38:37,530 --> 00:38:33,790
one God and the Jews following Moses had

762
00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:37,540
the same view as you know from the

763
00:38:43,110 --> 00:38:39,430
commandments thou shalt have no other

764
00:38:47,970 --> 00:38:43,120
gods before me I mean meeting that on

765
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:47,980
earth the big God was Jehovah the et who

766
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:50,850
had the most strength and most authority

767
00:38:57,180 --> 00:38:54,850
compared to the other gods it's an

768
00:39:03,260 --> 00:38:57,190
interesting question and that maybe

769
00:39:05,850 --> 00:39:03,270
someday we can sit down with happened

770
00:39:10,020 --> 00:39:05,860
yeah this is all speculation there's

771
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:10,030
there's some interesting ideas out there

772
00:39:15,570 --> 00:39:12,490
for sure let's say we have another

773
00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:15,580
message up on the on the board here but

774
00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:17,470
I wanted to say that I actually know

775
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:19,870
someone I'm I'm kind of close to someone

776
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:24,880
that told me that when she was over

777
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:27,130
since she was a little girl and still

778
00:39:32,730 --> 00:39:29,440
continuing to this day she feels like

779
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:32,740
she is from another planet and I thought

780
00:39:38,220 --> 00:39:35,290
and in every other aspect about this

781
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:38,230
person she's perfectly normal that I've

782
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:42,880
always seen it it's really and she never

783
00:39:47,610 --> 00:39:45,280
said anything to me about this until I

784
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:47,620
started you know exploring this topic

785
00:39:53,850 --> 00:39:51,850
and going into it but she she says I

786
00:39:56,070 --> 00:39:53,860
just want to go oh she's

787
00:39:58,530 --> 00:39:56,080
actually says he actually feels that way

788
00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:58,540
you know many people feel that they want

789
00:40:03,780 --> 00:40:00,180
to go home and some people will describe

790
00:40:05,730 --> 00:40:03,790
their encounter with an ad as scary

791
00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:05,740
frightening feel like they've been

792
00:40:13,860 --> 00:40:09,000
examined other people feel like they are

793
00:40:17,550 --> 00:40:13,870
being visited by the home folks and the

794
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:17,560
that they are here and kind of pioneers

795
00:40:23,790 --> 00:40:20,400
or kind of settlers to help Humanity

796
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:23,800
orient itself and return to the Stars

797
00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:26,290
and so some of those people will say

798
00:40:32,130 --> 00:40:30,670
once they recall about what happened

799
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:32,140
during the encounter there's a feeling

800
00:40:39,090 --> 00:40:33,730
the head is that they wanted to go back

801
00:40:42,270 --> 00:40:39,100
with the ETS I had a young man football

802
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:42,280
player in college who had a strange

803
00:40:48,420 --> 00:40:45,610
experience while he was a teenager and

804
00:40:51,420 --> 00:40:48,430
he wanted to remember more about it

805
00:40:53,940 --> 00:40:51,430
remember he was sitting in my chair and

806
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:53,950
the chair was being rocked back and

807
00:41:01,890 --> 00:40:58,330
forth I was afraid the chair was gonna

808
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:01,900
break as he took 200 pound plus guy with

809
00:41:09,810 --> 00:41:05,440
his football body and bright nice guy

810
00:41:13,770 --> 00:41:09,820
but his memory was not enough fear his

811
00:41:15,870 --> 00:41:13,780
memory was of coming down from the

812
00:41:20,340 --> 00:41:15,880
stairs and friend's house going outside

813
00:41:28,730 --> 00:41:20,350
seeing a flying saucer and I'm seeing

814
00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:28,740
his family and so his feelings were Wow

815
00:41:35,550 --> 00:41:32,200
let's see the message up on the board

816
00:41:38,220 --> 00:41:35,560
here is you mentioned early experiences

817
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:38,230
by you know seeing sightings did you

818
00:41:44,940 --> 00:41:41,680
ever have any feelings of being abducted

819
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:44,950
yourself I don't call it an abduction

820
00:41:49,050 --> 00:41:47,850
because abduction has raised

821
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:49,060
connotations

822
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:52,000
that's why J dr. J Allen Hynek this

823
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:53,290
businessman he started calling in

824
00:41:58,770 --> 00:41:56,410
encounters you know when I was growing

825
00:42:00,030 --> 00:41:58,780
after I'd worked in many people I went

826
00:42:03,150 --> 00:42:00,040
through hypnosis with another

827
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:03,160
psychologist went back to a five year

828
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:04,690
old experienced what I felt like I was

829
00:42:11,310 --> 00:42:07,330
on board talking to

830
00:42:14,570 --> 00:42:11,320
Extra Terrestrial tall guy and kind of a

831
00:42:17,460 --> 00:42:14,580
spacesuit his hand on my right shoulder

832
00:42:19,860 --> 00:42:17,470
and he was saying to me Leo learn to

833
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:19,870
read and write well when you grow up you

834
00:42:24,450 --> 00:42:21,130
can help other people learn more about

835
00:42:27,450 --> 00:42:24,460
their purpose so I feel like I have been

836
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:27,460
trained or guided or taught whatever you

837
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:30,720
want to call it as part of my history

838
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:36,010
now you're you you have a schooling

839
00:42:40,850 --> 00:42:38,890
background you were involved in the

840
00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:40,860
investigation were you at that

841
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:42,790
throughout all this

842
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:45,130
did you also have a career going on in

843
00:42:48,990 --> 00:42:47,410
teaching or whatever it is you know I

844
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:49,000
have no philosophies kind of a narrow

845
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:51,370
field as far as um what you do in the

846
00:43:00,450 --> 00:42:56,730
world but did you ever stay in that I

847
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:00,460
was trained as a psychologist oh okay -

848
00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:03,850
University of North Dakota with both

849
00:43:12,030 --> 00:43:06,540
teaching classes and counseling

850
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:12,040
experiences in 64 that was in 61 when I

851
00:43:20,310 --> 00:43:16,570
was in North Dakota in 64 I came to the

852
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:20,320
University of Wyoming I was primarily

853
00:43:27,420 --> 00:43:22,090
teaching that time what they called a

854
00:43:30,990 --> 00:43:27,430
guidance Institute then after that first

855
00:43:36,060 --> 00:43:31,000
year I was in both the psychology

856
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:36,070
department and what they call the

857
00:43:44,190 --> 00:43:40,450
counseling and guidance and 65 then I

858
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:44,200
started in the counseling center for 13

859
00:43:49,950 --> 00:43:46,690
years I was director of the Counseling

860
00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:49,960
Center there's both administrative

861
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:51,720
duties as well as teaching and

862
00:43:59,280 --> 00:43:55,930
counseling most of the courses that I

863
00:44:02,160 --> 00:43:59,290
taught will graduate students on the

864
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:02,170
first although I did have some

865
00:44:10,650 --> 00:44:04,890
undergraduate large classes that I

866
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:10,660
taught from time to time so at the later

867
00:44:20,140 --> 00:44:17,050
years the director of student life the

868
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:20,150
Dean of Students

869
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:23,450
good Christian man very bright and man

870
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:27,530
but he was upset by my UFO research I

871
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:30,290
mean when I tried to go from assistant

872
00:44:35,410 --> 00:44:32,570
to associate professor of psychology

873
00:44:37,210 --> 00:44:35,420
that was given tried to go from

874
00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:37,220
associate professor to full professor

875
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:39,849
when I was in front of all of the

876
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:44,720
department of psychology faculty dozen

877
00:44:54,190 --> 00:44:48,560
or so guys and my application was

878
00:44:56,620 --> 00:44:54,200
rejected one fellow tried to help me he

879
00:44:59,200 --> 00:44:56,630
said nah Leo if you'll do this kind of a

880
00:45:01,330 --> 00:44:59,210
study and that kind of a steady and you

881
00:45:03,849 --> 00:45:01,340
can get those research results published

882
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:03,859
and then you can be professor I said

883
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:07,130
well I have my own interest he looked at

884
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:12,890
me kind of puzzled he said this UFO is

885
00:45:21,010 --> 00:45:17,599
like a hobby I laughed I said no it's

886
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:21,020
more of a compulsion he said oh you're

887
00:45:28,990 --> 00:45:21,530
serious

888
00:45:31,900 --> 00:45:29,000
this is what I do and it was it got to

889
00:45:35,470 --> 00:45:31,910
the point where the Dean brought me in

890
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:35,480
in front of somebody else and and in in

891
00:45:44,170 --> 00:45:38,890
writing then in person he told me that I

892
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:44,180
should no longer engage in UFO research

893
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:46,730
or reincarnation research during office

894
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:49,730
hours because I was a professor which

895
00:45:55,329 --> 00:45:52,910
meant I could you know do any kind of

896
00:45:57,550 --> 00:45:55,339
research I want to do but I was also a

897
00:46:02,410 --> 00:45:57,560
staff member of the Counseling Center I

898
00:46:06,670 --> 00:46:02,420
had resigned as director and there's

899
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:06,680
just a staff psychologist there and so I

900
00:46:10,690 --> 00:46:08,240
said oh okay I know how to play this

901
00:46:13,780 --> 00:46:10,700
game oh wait until five o'clock before I

902
00:46:15,250 --> 00:46:13,790
do my UFO or reincarnation research for

903
00:46:18,970 --> 00:46:15,260
example I was working with a young man

904
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:18,980
who was a cutter he would take a razor

905
00:46:25,350 --> 00:46:21,530
blade and you'd slice you know his arm

906
00:46:29,740 --> 00:46:25,360
or shoulder and

907
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:29,750
when in the residence hall counter I saw

908
00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:33,110
him bleeding one time he referred the

909
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:35,630
young man to me this young man was so

910
00:46:43,690 --> 00:46:39,890
bright his scores academic aptitude test

911
00:46:44,980 --> 00:46:43,700
scores were much higher than the average

912
00:46:46,990 --> 00:46:44,990
student they're much higher than the

913
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:47,000
average professor he was much brighter

914
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:50,690
than I am and so we sat down and I

915
00:46:56,260 --> 00:46:54,650
looked at his case history he'd been to

916
00:46:58,960 --> 00:46:56,270
a psychiatrist had been to a couple of

917
00:47:00,040 --> 00:46:58,970
other psychologists so I knew that I was

918
00:47:04,030 --> 00:47:00,050
gonna have to do something different I

919
00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:04,040
said well let's learn self-hypnosis he

920
00:47:08,380 --> 00:47:05,510
looked at me he said why should we learn

921
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:08,390
self-hypnosis I said well we know you're

922
00:47:11,830 --> 00:47:10,010
going to cut yourself so we want you to

923
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:11,840
be able to focus and really do a good

924
00:47:17,110 --> 00:47:14,000
job well he had a good sense of humor

925
00:47:19,930 --> 00:47:17,120
and so he laughed he's okay so the more

926
00:47:23,260 --> 00:47:19,940
we got into self-hypnosis the more we

927
00:47:27,490 --> 00:47:23,270
got into past lives where he was a

928
00:47:29,230 --> 00:47:27,500
swordsman and the excellent swordsman he

929
00:47:34,590 --> 00:47:29,240
would cut others down others should try

930
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:34,600
to cut him and so he had this propensity

931
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:38,240
to be on the defensive or on the

932
00:47:42,850 --> 00:47:40,450
offensive depending on how you look at

933
00:47:46,210 --> 00:47:42,860
regarding other people

934
00:47:48,340 --> 00:47:46,220
he was so bright he had three years he

935
00:47:50,860 --> 00:47:48,350
got an undergraduate degree he was

936
00:47:55,870 --> 00:47:50,870
working on a law degree he was going to

937
00:48:04,180 --> 00:47:55,880
become an international banker business

938
00:48:05,980 --> 00:48:04,190
person and so when he found out what was

939
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:05,990
going on he recognized what was

940
00:48:10,930 --> 00:48:08,720
happening within him he was not only

941
00:48:14,590 --> 00:48:10,940
bright he was psychic he could sense

942
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:14,600
other people and their attitude and he

943
00:48:19,540 --> 00:48:17,810
would make comments showing that he knew

944
00:48:22,170 --> 00:48:19,550
what was going on and sometimes if

945
00:48:25,090 --> 00:48:22,180
people were antagonistic well he would

946
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:25,100
say sharp things and they would say

947
00:48:29,770 --> 00:48:27,200
sharp things and then he would go back

948
00:48:32,140 --> 00:48:29,780
home to his residence hall room and he

949
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:32,150
would cut himself and so we realized

950
00:48:39,710 --> 00:48:36,690
that then the Nexus the topic of the

951
00:48:41,300 --> 00:48:39,720
what was going on was that he thought it

952
00:48:44,349 --> 00:48:41,310
would be better to cut himself and to

953
00:48:47,780 --> 00:48:44,359
cut somebody else which is very moral

954
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:47,790
but it's also a waste of razor blades

955
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:53,280
and blood so so he I encouraged him to

956
00:48:58,490 --> 00:48:55,770
use his sharp tongue to cut other

957
00:49:03,550 --> 00:48:58,500
people's arguments rather than to cut

958
00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:03,560
himself with a knife or a razor blade

959
00:49:10,750 --> 00:49:06,119
never did find out what happened to him

960
00:49:15,290 --> 00:49:10,760
but maybe someday he'll recognize that

961
00:49:18,740 --> 00:49:15,300
he's using his tongue rather than using

962
00:49:21,260 --> 00:49:18,750
a blade for his weapon right yeah it

963
00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:21,270
really is it was really a sad thing when

964
00:49:30,020 --> 00:49:24,300
when that happens let's see I'm sorry

965
00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:30,030
had up here boy I had I had a message

966
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:31,800
and I I just can't find it someone who

967
00:49:37,420 --> 00:49:34,770
had a question Oh Matthew hang on just a

968
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:37,430
second oh yes have you had any other

969
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:40,530
encounters more recent than those two or

970
00:50:01,849 --> 00:49:50,130
is that it from Michigan written a book

971
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:01,859
about his experiences there was the one

972
00:50:06,109 --> 00:50:04,170
that was probably more interesting from

973
00:50:09,650 --> 00:50:06,119
a historical standpoint was Travis

974
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:09,660
Walton the Apple people Jim and Collins

975
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:11,760
and sent me to talk with him shortly

976
00:50:18,380 --> 00:50:16,010
after his experience now this next

977
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,390
November or December camerawindow

978
00:50:25,130 --> 00:50:20,400
there's going to be a conference 40

979
00:50:29,450 --> 00:50:25,140
years later after people will be talking

980
00:50:33,020 --> 00:50:29,460
about his book and the movie fire in the

981
00:50:37,099 --> 00:50:33,030
sky so there I've collected thousands of

982
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:37,109
people and what's exciting to me is that

983
00:50:41,630 --> 00:50:38,609
more and more people are not only

984
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:41,640
willing to talk confidentially but more

985
00:50:44,410 --> 00:50:43,050
and more people are willing to talk

986
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:44,420
openly

987
00:50:50,570 --> 00:50:48,569
right now Travis just had a new

988
00:50:53,930 --> 00:50:50,580
documentary or Phil

989
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:53,940
that just came out just very recently I

990
00:50:59,710 --> 00:50:56,400
believe it's being shown at a film

991
00:51:03,950 --> 00:50:59,720
festival and from what I understand it's

992
00:51:06,350 --> 00:51:03,960
he hadn't seen I spoke with him a maybe

993
00:51:09,230 --> 00:51:06,360
a month and a half ago he hadn't seen it

994
00:51:11,540 --> 00:51:09,240
yet but he said before it went on the

995
00:51:13,130 --> 00:51:11,550
cutting floor before it was edited he

996
00:51:15,350 --> 00:51:13,140
said they were doing a really accurate

997
00:51:21,940 --> 00:51:15,360
and good job so I'll be very interested

998
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:26,060
yes he's mentioned that to me also but

999
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:28,110
thought it was better being done than

1000
00:51:36,740 --> 00:51:32,730
not he like you know take some grace

1001
00:51:39,130 --> 00:51:36,750
with that so those are those are kind of

1002
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:39,140
iconic cases both of the ones you have

1003
00:51:45,530 --> 00:51:41,760
talked about did you ever speak to the

1004
00:51:50,300 --> 00:51:45,540
allagash people Jim Jim and Jack Weiner

1005
00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:50,310
and Chuck faults or any of those people

1006
00:51:57,050 --> 00:51:53,510
I haven't yeah what are some other cases

1007
00:52:04,520 --> 00:51:57,060
that you can mention that you look to

1008
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:04,530
between 1980 and 2000 what we called the

1009
00:52:11,870 --> 00:52:07,530
Rocky Mountain UFO conference at the

1010
00:52:14,510 --> 00:52:11,880
University of Wyoming I left the

1011
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:14,520
University in 89 I couldn't handle the

1012
00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:18,210
pressure anymore but some people are

1013
00:52:25,150 --> 00:52:22,020
willing to continue with the program dr.

1014
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:25,160
June Parnell she did her dissertation

1015
00:52:31,550 --> 00:52:29,090
with cases that I had worked with I

1016
00:52:35,210 --> 00:52:31,560
worked with people who not only were

1017
00:52:37,460 --> 00:52:35,220
willing to talk about their background

1018
00:52:39,550 --> 00:52:37,470
and their encounters but they were also

1019
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:39,560
willing to take personality inventories

1020
00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:42,290
so that we could compare their

1021
00:52:53,540 --> 00:52:48,030
personality profile with the general

1022
00:52:55,130 --> 00:52:53,550
public or the general individual what

1023
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:55,140
she found was that these people are

1024
00:52:58,890 --> 00:52:57,570
quote normal unquote in a psychological

1025
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:58,900
sense

1026
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:00,640
in fact in some ways they're kind of

1027
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:07,330
super normal there were some profiles

1028
00:53:15,630 --> 00:53:09,970
that showed there kind of a suspicious

1029
00:53:18,540 --> 00:53:15,640
nature kind of a - the weirdness but in

1030
00:53:20,850 --> 00:53:18,550
terms of intelligence and education more

1031
00:53:26,250 --> 00:53:20,860
women and men were willing to complete

1032
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:26,260
the surveys but in general these people

1033
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:31,210
would be perceived as a good good person

1034
00:53:40,050 --> 00:53:36,010
so I masters I mean college graduate

1035
00:53:43,230 --> 00:53:40,060
level some was a graduate course of

1036
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:43,240
study so so not only bright and educated

1037
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:47,710
but also with strengths of various kind

1038
00:53:58,380 --> 00:53:52,090
along with the suspicious or skeptical

1039
00:54:01,820 --> 00:53:58,390
nature so what we found in that series

1040
00:54:05,310 --> 00:54:01,830
of conferences between 1980 and 2000

1041
00:54:08,580 --> 00:54:05,320
every year start off with 100 150 people

1042
00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:08,590
and it get beat to 300 people most of

1043
00:54:14,030 --> 00:54:12,310
them were not only willing to share

1044
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:14,040
their experiences with one another

1045
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:18,160
they're willing to stand up and and talk

1046
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:20,890
in front of everybody remember one one

1047
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:23,530
young man he said my knees are shaking

1048
00:54:33,210 --> 00:54:29,680
he said I belong to a club that talks

1049
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:33,220
publicly you know yep talking about his

1050
00:54:37,020 --> 00:54:34,810
own personal experience with a little

1051
00:54:40,020 --> 00:54:37,030
different and I remember a couple of

1052
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:40,030
women who were interesting a mother and

1053
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:42,880
a daughter my mother was a teacher in

1054
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:44,050
New Mexico the daughter was a

1055
00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:46,650
psychiatric social worker in California

1056
00:54:51,300 --> 00:54:49,510
and they came back to the following year

1057
00:54:54,210 --> 00:54:51,310
that they were there and they said they

1058
00:54:56,550 --> 00:54:54,220
had each talked with each other about

1059
00:54:59,250 --> 00:54:56,560
their hybrid children they had not been

1060
00:55:03,780 --> 00:54:59,260
able to be courageous enough to tell

1061
00:55:06,110 --> 00:55:03,790
each other what they had experienced as

1062
00:55:10,490 --> 00:55:06,120
many women have said they felt like they

1063
00:55:16,610 --> 00:55:10,500
became pregnant but not

1064
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:16,620
the human level the gestation period was

1065
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:19,890
cut short the fetus seemed to be taken

1066
00:55:24,830 --> 00:55:23,130
away and they talked about that and then

1067
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,840
later they came back the next year they

1068
00:55:28,370 --> 00:55:26,400
had written a book called healing

1069
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:28,380
shattered reality in which they

1070
00:55:36,250 --> 00:55:33,690
discussed their experience and so there

1071
00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:36,260
are many courageous men and women who

1072
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:40,980
are not only willing to share their

1073
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:43,350
experience but also they feel that they

1074
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:46,890
are helping humanity to get ready for

1075
00:55:53,180 --> 00:55:50,370
the next leap in our evolution that we

1076
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:53,190
will recognize not only have we come

1077
00:55:57,410 --> 00:55:54,810
from the stars but we're getting ready

1078
00:55:58,910 --> 00:55:57,420
to go back to the stars we have a

1079
00:56:01,640 --> 00:55:58,920
question I'm going to get to in just a

1080
00:56:03,980 --> 00:56:01,650
second on the message okay well actually

1081
00:56:06,350 --> 00:56:03,990
why don't I just ask it right now and

1082
00:56:08,540 --> 00:56:06,360
okay and that it's up can you elaborate

1083
00:56:14,090 --> 00:56:08,550
when you were talking alert earlier on

1084
00:56:16,310 --> 00:56:14,100
heightened awareness yeah according to

1085
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:16,320
my guides I don't know if they know what

1086
00:56:24,860 --> 00:56:20,850
they're talking about but I'm told in my

1087
00:56:27,020 --> 00:56:24,870
meditation that there is some people

1088
00:56:31,070 --> 00:56:27,030
called a change point some people called

1089
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:31,080
transformation some people call it day

1090
00:56:39,050 --> 00:56:35,280
of declaration this supposedly not only

1091
00:56:44,690 --> 00:56:39,060
involves the public political

1092
00:56:48,350 --> 00:56:44,700
announcement that ETS are here and that

1093
00:56:49,850 --> 00:56:48,360
they have special energies in fact some

1094
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:49,860
experts think that that's the real

1095
00:56:53,810 --> 00:56:52,110
cover-up the cover-up is not of the et

1096
00:56:56,860 --> 00:56:53,820
presence of the cover-up is of the

1097
00:56:58,660 --> 00:56:56,870
energy technologies that the ETS use

1098
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:58,670
because if we were to use that

1099
00:57:04,910 --> 00:57:00,960
technology what some people tell they

1100
00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:04,920
talk about this Tesla Nikola Tesla back

1101
00:57:12,410 --> 00:57:07,980
in the 30s he and a colleague was

1102
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:12,420
driving an electric car in New York he

1103
00:57:17,500 --> 00:57:15,090
claimed to get energy from space and

1104
00:57:19,890 --> 00:57:17,510
then turn it into electricity

1105
00:57:22,769 --> 00:57:19,900
there's

1106
00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:22,779
a couple people who have developed

1107
00:57:28,170 --> 00:57:25,510
little generators that do this it's been

1108
00:57:31,370 --> 00:57:28,180
patented but this information is

1109
00:57:33,690 --> 00:57:31,380
generally suppressed because if we had

1110
00:57:38,220 --> 00:57:33,700
so-called free energy we wouldn't need

1111
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:38,230
to burn the fossil fuels in order to

1112
00:57:44,370 --> 00:57:39,760
create electricity

1113
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:44,380
so what everyone calls that the day of

1114
00:57:53,099 --> 00:57:48,400
declaration or the transformation was it

1115
00:57:55,049 --> 00:57:53,109
a change point it seems that some people

1116
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:55,059
claim that we are headed toward this

1117
00:58:03,329 --> 00:57:59,200
point where everybody's awareness will

1118
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:03,339
be increased I'm not sure exactly what

1119
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:07,690
that means but it isn't described by

1120
00:58:18,930 --> 00:58:10,170
various people as a shift in energy or

1121
00:58:21,809 --> 00:58:18,940
or increased in frequency so that just

1122
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:21,819
like if if you use the analogy of light

1123
00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:23,920
if we're walking around and it's kind of

1124
00:58:29,250 --> 00:58:25,569
dim and all of a sudden the lights are

1125
00:58:30,900 --> 00:58:29,260
turned on or or turned up higher then we

1126
00:58:34,260 --> 00:58:30,910
can see what's happening all the same

1127
00:58:37,529 --> 00:58:34,270
ways if we all raise our consciousness

1128
00:58:40,529 --> 00:58:37,539
and recognize that we are not only human

1129
00:58:44,970 --> 00:58:40,539
but we're also Souls and that we're part

1130
00:58:47,130 --> 00:58:44,980
of not only the planet not only the

1131
00:58:51,150 --> 00:58:47,140
solar system not only the galaxy but the

1132
00:58:53,970 --> 00:58:51,160
whole cosmos if the if the whole galaxy

1133
00:58:55,789 --> 00:58:53,980
were to increase in awareness and maybe

1134
00:59:02,940 --> 00:58:55,799
what we call the good guy bad guy

1135
00:59:05,130 --> 00:59:02,950
scenario will no longer be the game some

1136
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:05,140
people think the game is good cop bad

1137
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:09,970
cop that is that the ETS are presenting

1138
00:59:19,289 --> 00:59:14,559
themselves both as quote good unquote

1139
00:59:21,450 --> 00:59:19,299
and as quote bad unquote just like if we

1140
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:21,460
thought of ourselves as of where the

1141
00:59:24,750 --> 00:59:23,200
patriarchs on the planet we're the ones

1142
00:59:25,859 --> 00:59:24,760
who are suppressing women and children

1143
00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:25,869
we're the ones who are polluting the

1144
00:59:30,970 --> 00:59:28,809
planet and so the bad cops come and say

1145
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:30,980
hey come join us

1146
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:35,599
and we will give you energy but you

1147
00:59:40,050 --> 00:59:37,250
don't have to tell the public about it

1148
00:59:42,910 --> 00:59:40,060
and so some people say that there is a

1149
00:59:47,410 --> 00:59:42,920
secret cabal that has developed flying

1150
00:59:52,380 --> 00:59:47,420
saucers here on the planet and that they

1151
00:59:55,359 --> 00:59:52,390
are in cahoots with the greys or the

1152
00:59:59,620 --> 00:59:55,369
lizards or different people say

1153
01:00:02,230 --> 00:59:59,630
different groups of ETS and then later

1154
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:02,240
find out that all the EPS are working

1155
01:00:10,359 --> 01:00:07,040
together to help humanity grow up Wow

1156
01:00:12,250 --> 01:00:10,369
so that that's it say say goodbye if you

1157
01:00:18,700 --> 01:00:12,260
would to the first hour we're going into

1158
01:00:19,690 --> 01:00:18,710
the second hour but thank you and in the

1159
01:00:23,170 --> 01:00:19,700
second hour we're going to be talking

1160
01:00:26,650 --> 01:00:23,180
more about this idea of possible free

1161
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:26,660
energy and I also want to find out I

1162
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:28,930
have a couple of questions about

1163
01:00:33,940 --> 01:00:31,010
abductions and abductees so that's

1164
01:01:12,529 --> 01:00:33,950
coming up in our to hang in there just

1165
01:01:27,289 --> 01:01:22,819
I never know what those clips are gonna

1166
01:01:29,539 --> 01:01:27,299
be like that's yeah that's actually I'm

1167
01:01:33,319 --> 01:01:29,549
sure that's part of a movie from Carrie

1168
01:01:35,539 --> 01:01:33,329
Lloyd white house out of Scotland so the

1169
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:35,549
question I was wanted to ask you before

1170
01:01:43,219 --> 01:01:40,400
we get more into the energy questions is

1171
01:01:45,799 --> 01:01:43,229
since you've been at this so long what

1172
01:01:49,370 --> 01:01:45,809
is your feeling about the increase in

1173
01:01:51,709 --> 01:01:49,380
activity in the abductions or if that's

1174
01:01:53,390 --> 01:01:51,719
even happening or just people are more

1175
01:01:58,359 --> 01:01:53,400
free to talk about it what what's your

1176
01:02:02,059 --> 01:01:58,369
opinion on that it's not an increase

1177
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:02,069
it's more than a in terms of numbers of

1178
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:04,410
encounters between the extraterrestrial

1179
01:02:11,809 --> 01:02:10,410
craft and and planetary persons as far

1180
01:02:13,729 --> 01:02:11,819
as I can tell it seems like it's an

1181
01:02:16,219 --> 01:02:13,739
increase in the number of people who are

1182
01:02:19,849 --> 01:02:16,229
willing to report their experience I've

1183
01:02:21,890 --> 01:02:19,859
conquered a lot of people who some of

1184
01:02:23,779 --> 01:02:21,900
whom have said they've had support from

1185
01:02:25,999 --> 01:02:23,789
their families or their spouse or

1186
01:02:28,669 --> 01:02:26,009
whatever and other people who have not

1187
01:02:34,399 --> 01:02:28,679
had support and so they've been kind of

1188
01:02:37,819 --> 01:02:34,409
hiding their story partly embarrassed or

1189
01:02:41,870 --> 01:02:37,829
frightened but also partly not wanting

1190
01:02:46,509 --> 01:02:41,880
to cause difficulty for friends and

1191
01:02:56,469 --> 01:02:46,519
family now some people will go ahead

1192
01:03:01,699 --> 01:03:00,109
girlfriends you seem like more and more

1193
01:03:02,959 --> 01:03:01,709
people willing to talk about their

1194
01:03:05,929 --> 01:03:02,969
experience openly

1195
01:03:07,130 --> 01:03:05,939
right and there are more groups and

1196
01:03:12,289 --> 01:03:07,140
support than ever

1197
01:03:15,289 --> 01:03:12,299
but I want to mention one group no

1198
01:03:17,299 --> 01:03:15,299
longer move on in the UFO Congress and

1199
01:03:19,479 --> 01:03:17,309
none of the people have been doing work

1200
01:03:26,180 --> 01:03:19,489
over the years there's another group

1201
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:28,340
searched and extraterrestrial encounters

1202
01:03:34,910 --> 01:03:32,490
and extraterrestrial experiences and if

1203
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:34,920
people are interested and know how to go

1204
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:39,920
online they can go to WWE fr EE

1205
01:03:49,870 --> 01:03:47,280
experiencer dr. Co Co Co and they formed

1206
01:03:52,460 --> 01:03:49,880
a science committee and they formed a

1207
01:03:56,780 --> 01:03:52,470
survey committee and formed a Support

1208
01:04:00,880 --> 01:03:56,790
Committee and so they're trying to not

1209
01:04:04,460 --> 01:04:00,890
only use the scientific and intellectual

1210
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:04,470
support for these people but also trying

1211
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:07,650
to provide emotional and social support

1212
01:04:14,930 --> 01:04:11,490
for people right

1213
01:04:17,630 --> 01:04:14,940
I think it's ray hunt Hernandez yeah

1214
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:17,640
yeah I we missed each other we were in

1215
01:04:23,390 --> 01:04:20,490
Phoenix I wanted to say hi to him and

1216
01:04:27,830 --> 01:04:23,400
and missed him out there and I actually

1217
01:04:30,140 --> 01:04:27,840
had Christina on the show and old yes

1218
01:04:31,490 --> 01:04:30,150
and a few other people talking about

1219
01:04:33,140 --> 01:04:31,500
that it sounds like they're they're

1220
01:04:36,500 --> 01:04:33,150
trying to do a really good job with this

1221
01:04:38,660 --> 01:04:36,510
thing yeah and the question I have about

1222
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:38,670
that I do have another message but I'll

1223
01:04:42,110 --> 01:04:39,650
get to that later

1224
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:42,120
the the question I have about that is

1225
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:45,890
how did these people handle this when

1226
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:49,410
what were their lives like when they had

1227
01:04:56,060 --> 01:04:52,290
nowhere to go no one to share the trauma

1228
01:04:58,250 --> 01:04:56,070
with very difficult for some people I've

1229
01:05:05,300 --> 01:04:58,260
talked to people who have been hiding

1230
01:05:07,460 --> 01:05:05,310
you know for 13 years some people it's

1231
01:05:11,870 --> 01:05:07,470
not like they live dual lives double

1232
01:05:17,300 --> 01:05:11,880
eyes but I think that that's also part

1233
01:05:18,380 --> 01:05:17,310
of the initiation if you will I don't

1234
01:05:25,030 --> 01:05:18,390
know if you've heard the name David

1235
01:05:28,610 --> 01:05:25,040
Campbell but he's a yes the cultural

1236
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:28,620
experiences and he has a model and the

1237
01:05:34,540 --> 01:05:31,680
model is called a hero's journey the

1238
01:05:38,130 --> 01:05:34,550
hero is the man or woman who feels

1239
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:38,140
pulled out of society and then

1240
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:43,599
into challenges personal crises kind of

1241
01:05:48,180 --> 01:05:46,210
tests or examinations to see how they'll

1242
01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:48,190
do and then they come back into society

1243
01:05:55,140 --> 01:05:50,880
with new knowledge and with new courage

1244
01:05:59,960 --> 01:05:55,150
the example that many people use is the

1245
01:06:03,269 --> 01:05:59,970
story of Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz and

1246
01:06:06,690 --> 01:06:03,279
the story is look here's this woman who

1247
01:06:09,950 --> 01:06:06,700
has her companions attended and straw

1248
01:06:12,089 --> 01:06:09,960
man they're looking for

1249
01:06:14,490 --> 01:06:12,099
success or they're looking for

1250
01:06:16,259 --> 01:06:14,500
assistance they think that the Wizard of

1251
01:06:19,319 --> 01:06:16,269
Oz is going to help them well they find

1252
01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:19,329
out the Wizard of Oz is that doddering

1253
01:06:24,059 --> 01:06:22,000
old guy and he just hands out the

1254
01:06:25,740 --> 01:06:24,069
certificates it's kind of like those of

1255
01:06:28,140 --> 01:06:25,750
us who were professors and the students

1256
01:06:32,190 --> 01:06:28,150
the ones who go through the hard times

1257
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:32,200
and then then the President or the Dean

1258
01:06:37,890 --> 01:06:36,490
or whoever hands out the certificate

1259
01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:37,900
when the person has completed the

1260
01:06:45,329 --> 01:06:41,609
program so if we look at it that way

1261
01:06:49,650 --> 01:06:45,339
then I often encourage people to

1262
01:06:51,569 --> 01:06:49,660
consider shortening the process by

1263
01:06:54,180 --> 01:06:51,579
saying I'm ready I'm ready

1264
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:54,190
likes them like SpongeBob SquarePants

1265
01:07:00,599 --> 01:06:58,960
I'm ready ready ready then say okay I

1266
01:07:02,910 --> 01:07:00,609
need to be tested some more well then

1267
01:07:05,579 --> 01:07:02,920
test me then some people will get more

1268
01:07:08,759 --> 01:07:05,589
tests but other people there'll be a

1269
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:08,769
shift for example willen told me years

1270
01:07:14,910 --> 01:07:12,480
ago that she was remembering during her

1271
01:07:19,490 --> 01:07:14,920
hypnosis session with me that she was on

1272
01:07:22,829 --> 01:07:19,500
board a craft and the little gray et's

1273
01:07:26,249 --> 01:07:22,839
had examined her and it was painful and

1274
01:07:29,130 --> 01:07:26,259
she was groaning and moaning and and at

1275
01:07:31,769 --> 01:07:29,140
one point she said her memory was that

1276
01:07:32,940 --> 01:07:31,779
she snapped looked at that little Gracie

1277
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:32,950
stop it

1278
01:07:40,890 --> 01:07:37,359
I don't like this take me to your leader

1279
01:07:44,210 --> 01:07:40,900
or you know take me to your supervisor

1280
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:44,220
and their little grade look startled and

1281
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:46,450
according to her memory walked out into

1282
01:07:49,380 --> 01:07:48,250
the room and then came back with a tall

1283
01:07:52,410 --> 01:07:49,390
gray

1284
01:07:57,420 --> 01:07:52,420
who was feminine and much more

1285
01:08:02,400 --> 01:07:57,430
compassionate so is like the idea is

1286
01:08:05,850 --> 01:08:02,410
that as soon as we wake up and in hence

1287
01:08:08,430 --> 01:08:05,860
our consciousness saying okay we're her

1288
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:08,440
things but we're also ETS we've been in

1289
01:08:12,690 --> 01:08:09,970
ETS and now we're going to go back and

1290
01:08:16,110 --> 01:08:12,700
be extraterrestrial again in our travels

1291
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:16,120
when we are ready for the journey then

1292
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:22,090
there the consciousness shifts and we

1293
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:26,290
become more able not only to tolerate

1294
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:28,210
the challenges but we know that we have

1295
01:08:33,930 --> 01:08:30,970
handled them and we are initiated just

1296
01:08:37,140 --> 01:08:33,940
like a sorority or fraternity member or

1297
01:08:39,330 --> 01:08:37,150
you know in the army we went through

1298
01:08:43,140 --> 01:08:39,340
basic training I remember when I was in

1299
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:43,150
the army one guy looked at me and he saw

1300
01:08:50,100 --> 01:08:47,440
I was handling the stress we will need a

1301
01:08:52,710 --> 01:08:50,110
sprinkle he said do you like the army I

1302
01:08:54,270 --> 01:08:52,720
said no not enough food not enough sleep

1303
01:08:57,210 --> 01:08:54,280
he's where you don't seem to be bothered

1304
01:09:00,480 --> 01:08:57,220
by it I said this is the easiest time in

1305
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:00,490
my life he said easy-peasy he was pissed

1306
01:09:06,660 --> 01:09:04,210
at me well I grew up in a farming family

1307
01:09:08,220 --> 01:09:06,670
and you had chores you get up early and

1308
01:09:09,330 --> 01:09:08,230
you do your chores then you go to school

1309
01:09:12,810 --> 01:09:09,340
then you come back and you do your

1310
01:09:15,180 --> 01:09:12,820
chores no I was lucky I was in athletics

1311
01:09:17,700 --> 01:09:15,190
and so my older brother got to do the

1312
01:09:22,020 --> 01:09:17,710
chores in the afternoon when I was in

1313
01:09:25,230 --> 01:09:22,030
football or a basketball or track so so

1314
01:09:27,630 --> 01:09:25,240
the sort of the task seems to be to grow

1315
01:09:31,490 --> 01:09:27,640
up and different people have different

1316
01:09:34,170 --> 01:09:31,500
meanings by that but from my standpoint

1317
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:34,180
it's not only to accept our

1318
01:09:42,780 --> 01:09:37,210
reincarnation past lives it's also to

1319
01:09:44,490 --> 01:09:42,790
get ready for being a cosmic citizens in

1320
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:44,500
fact when the papers I think I sent a

1321
01:09:50,340 --> 01:09:47,410
copy to you know ret experiences

1322
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:50,350
planetary persons or are they becoming

1323
01:09:59,930 --> 01:09:52,960
cosmic citizens and so when we're ready

1324
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:02,250
disclosure of the extra-terrestrial

1325
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:05,650
presence will occur and also I think the

1326
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:07,330
announcement about the energy

1327
01:10:12,510 --> 01:10:10,330
technologies will occur yeah I want to

1328
01:10:14,490 --> 01:10:12,520
talk to you more about that but I also

1329
01:10:31,670 --> 01:10:14,500
wanted to tell you that I am truly

1330
01:10:40,170 --> 01:10:35,100
we get introduced to several cartoon

1331
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:40,180
characters now now we're going I want to

1332
01:10:44,580 --> 01:10:42,490
talk more about the you know the

1333
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:44,590
possibilities of free energy because

1334
01:10:48,660 --> 01:10:46,930
I've you know this is going off the UFO

1335
01:10:51,060 --> 01:10:48,670
topic and you know forgive me for the

1336
01:10:53,460 --> 01:10:51,070
die-hard UFO people but you know this is

1337
01:10:58,230 --> 01:10:53,470
fascinating to me you know first of all

1338
01:11:00,720 --> 01:10:58,240
we can talk about Tesla and how you know

1339
01:11:05,070 --> 01:11:00,730
some people said he was crazy

1340
01:11:08,580 --> 01:11:05,080
some people said you know he had the

1341
01:11:11,610 --> 01:11:08,590
death ray and you know they stole his

1342
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:11,620
papers the government it's pretty well

1343
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:13,330
known the government took his all his

1344
01:11:18,690 --> 01:11:15,690
papers

1345
01:11:32,780 --> 01:11:18,700
there's a book that gives a good account

1346
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:35,700
right and you know everything we look

1347
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:38,050
around us today and you know sure

1348
01:11:42,480 --> 01:11:39,760
eventually things may have been invented

1349
01:11:45,090 --> 01:11:42,490
but everything we see around us the the

1350
01:11:47,670 --> 01:11:45,100
light switch the alternating current you

1351
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:47,680
know that was his he was I believe his

1352
01:11:51,780 --> 01:11:49,330
like walking along and all of a sudden

1353
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:51,790
had like an epiphany and scratched it

1354
01:11:58,830 --> 01:11:55,090
out on the idea out on a sand with a

1355
01:12:05,850 --> 01:11:58,840
stick or something you know this is you

1356
01:12:07,860 --> 01:12:05,860
know all this you know all direct

1357
01:12:09,810 --> 01:12:07,870
current or direct current is better and

1358
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:09,820
of course alternating current had more

1359
01:12:15,709 --> 01:12:12,210
advantages oh yeah and you know there

1360
01:12:18,860 --> 01:12:15,719
so terrible revelry between them but you

1361
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:18,870
think of this and the poor man could

1362
01:12:22,850 --> 01:12:20,370
have had all this money from

1363
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:22,860
Westinghouse he let this thing go about

1364
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:24,210
the horsepower I remember something

1365
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:26,489
about that but he could have been a

1366
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:28,800
millionaire Westinghouse was hurting at

1367
01:12:33,380 --> 01:12:30,719
the time and let the whole contract go

1368
01:12:35,390 --> 01:12:33,390
all I'm getting at is this brilliant

1369
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:35,400
brilliant brilliant man was hardly

1370
01:12:40,959 --> 01:12:37,650
recognized in his lifetime and died

1371
01:12:44,660 --> 01:12:40,969
mostly penniless which is such a shame

1372
01:12:48,830 --> 01:12:44,670
family with the Royal Rice he developed

1373
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:48,840
the cancer cure technology and several

1374
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:53,610
physicians him deeds were helpful doing

1375
01:13:01,100 --> 01:12:56,250
but then later on according to some

1376
01:13:04,610 --> 01:13:01,110
people the powers-that-be took over that

1377
01:13:08,740 --> 01:13:04,620
information and now Royal Rice the

1378
01:13:11,959 --> 01:13:08,750
technology is not available medically I

1379
01:13:14,420 --> 01:13:11,969
I sent some you know long as that

1380
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:14,430
material I said to you I've sent that

1381
01:13:24,250 --> 01:13:19,920
out to a dozen various editors in very

1382
01:13:27,190 --> 01:13:24,260
you know newspapers journals magazines

1383
01:13:30,890 --> 01:13:27,200
societies it is fascinating to me

1384
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:30,900
no one has acknowledged receiving the

1385
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:36,480
materials and I that's ok if but I hope

1386
01:13:42,970 --> 01:13:40,050
that somebody will inform the

1387
01:13:45,950 --> 01:13:42,980
powers-that-be that more and more people

1388
01:13:47,530 --> 01:13:45,960
recognize there is free energy there

1389
01:13:51,260 --> 01:13:47,540
more and more people around the planet

1390
01:13:55,729 --> 01:13:51,270
who know about this whereas here in the

1391
01:14:01,940 --> 01:13:55,739
US we we seem to feel numbed by what we

1392
01:14:03,709 --> 01:14:01,950
are told about free energy yeah there's

1393
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:03,719
some of that one that wanted to know

1394
01:14:10,930 --> 01:14:05,610
will you have you ever been threatened

1395
01:14:20,810 --> 01:14:13,700
probably no need to threaten me I'm not

1396
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:20,820
that important but the professor's kind

1397
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:23,010
of muzzled their own you know professors

1398
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:24,960
are not supposed to be outspoken we're

1399
01:14:30,650 --> 01:14:26,250
supposed to be quiet

1400
01:14:34,340 --> 01:14:30,660
and gentle and so and so I'm assuming

1401
01:14:39,140 --> 01:14:34,350
that anybody who is in the position to

1402
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:39,150
know about what I know recognizes that I

1403
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:43,890
don't have much influence yeah well I'm

1404
01:14:48,620 --> 01:14:46,560
gonna tell a story that I believe I have

1405
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:48,630
never told on this but it's it's an

1406
01:14:56,180 --> 01:14:52,080
interesting one now my father was never

1407
01:14:58,820 --> 01:14:56,190
known to fib he had a sense of humor but

1408
01:15:03,490 --> 01:14:58,830
you know he was serious about this back

1409
01:15:06,980 --> 01:15:03,500
in like 1974 you know right after the

1410
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:06,990
quote-unquote gas shortage crisis and

1411
01:15:14,930 --> 01:15:11,010
all that he had a friend that bought a

1412
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:14,940
brand-new Buick and it was a you know v8

1413
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:17,370
and all that and he drove it for a

1414
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:19,760
couple hundred miles and noticed the gas

1415
01:15:25,220 --> 01:15:22,290
the gas gauge was broken so he pulled

1416
01:15:27,170 --> 01:15:25,230
into a gas station and it took just

1417
01:15:30,770 --> 01:15:27,180
about two gallons so he's thinking

1418
01:15:34,970 --> 01:15:30,780
what's going on here he lifted the hood

1419
01:15:40,820 --> 01:15:34,980
and he saw there was this bright orange

1420
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:40,830
thing test equipment so he drove it back

1421
01:15:47,330 --> 01:15:44,640
to the dealership and they wouldn't let

1422
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:47,340
him take the car off the lot and he

1423
01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:50,370
finally settled for two free vehicles

1424
01:15:54,290 --> 01:15:52,560
one for himself and one for his wife and

1425
01:15:58,010 --> 01:15:54,300
he actually settled for them you know

1426
01:16:00,710 --> 01:15:58,020
this is now I can tell you one thing my

1427
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:00,720
father believed that that story and

1428
01:16:06,050 --> 01:16:04,050
believed his friend and I I don't know I

1429
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:06,060
can't verify anything I don't even

1430
01:16:10,940 --> 01:16:08,130
remember who it is because it was so

1431
01:16:15,860 --> 01:16:10,950
long ago but the story are we stuck with

1432
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:15,870
me because it has always baffled me and

1433
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:18,480
still baffles me to this day where the

1434
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:20,610
best you can get is a Prius that gets 50

1435
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:24,000
miles to the gallon it and I just don't

1436
01:16:29,900 --> 01:16:26,610
believe it with all the technology that

1437
01:16:35,060 --> 01:16:29,910
we have that we can't do better than

1438
01:16:38,930 --> 01:16:35,070
some people say that the automakers have

1439
01:16:40,089 --> 01:16:38,940
a lot of generators and gradually we're

1440
01:16:43,399 --> 01:16:40,099
releasing

1441
01:16:48,859 --> 01:16:43,409
you know bit by bit so there as the

1442
01:16:51,950 --> 01:16:48,869
gasoline supplies go down within the the

1443
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:51,960
number of miles goes up but sooner or

1444
01:16:56,209 --> 01:16:54,239
later we'll get to the free energy to

1445
01:17:00,169 --> 01:16:56,219
Tesla and then we can have electric cars

1446
01:17:04,279 --> 01:17:00,179
without burning fossil fuels to create

1447
01:17:08,450 --> 01:17:04,289
the electricity if you there's a couple

1448
01:17:10,489 --> 01:17:08,460
of theories out there kicking around and

1449
01:17:13,209 --> 01:17:10,499
one of them is that if all of a sudden

1450
01:17:16,339 --> 01:17:13,219
free energy was discovered and

1451
01:17:18,830 --> 01:17:16,349
implemented that the world a common

1452
01:17:21,319 --> 01:17:18,840
economy would would crush and fall and

1453
01:17:22,399 --> 01:17:21,329
and what do you what are your thoughts

1454
01:17:24,859 --> 01:17:22,409
on that and then and then of course

1455
01:17:28,430 --> 01:17:24,869
there's the one where the you know the

1456
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:28,440
the energy companies would do would you

1457
01:17:39,799 --> 01:17:30,449
know wage war against anyone that would

1458
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:39,809
get close to something like that would

1459
01:17:50,020 --> 01:17:43,170
happen in the short run it might be

1460
01:17:54,049 --> 01:17:50,030
disastrous but I grew up in a world of

1461
01:17:56,270 --> 01:17:54,059
economic depression world war two comes

1462
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:56,280
along my older brother went in the Air

1463
01:18:03,140 --> 01:18:00,320
Force I went in during the Korean time a

1464
01:18:05,930 --> 01:18:03,150
lot of changes happened in our lives and

1465
01:18:08,930 --> 01:18:05,940
we adapted to them my feeling about

1466
01:18:12,049 --> 01:18:08,940
humanity is that the free energy were

1467
01:18:15,470 --> 01:18:12,059
introduced it take a while to take a few

1468
01:18:21,589 --> 01:18:15,480
years for us to convert from coal and

1469
01:18:24,459 --> 01:18:21,599
oil and gasoline to these devices just

1470
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:24,469
like it takes a while for a city to

1471
01:18:34,189 --> 01:18:28,650
create a new power station and a new

1472
01:18:39,319 --> 01:18:34,199
power grid so my uneducated economic

1473
01:18:43,339 --> 01:18:39,329
philosophy is that the economics is not

1474
01:18:45,970 --> 01:18:43,349
as difficult as the emotional reaction

1475
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:45,980
of those who are going down

1476
01:18:51,740 --> 01:18:48,810
my general belief and I feel quite

1477
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:51,750
strong about this is that all over the

1478
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:55,440
planet the patriarchy is coming down I

1479
01:18:59,600 --> 01:18:57,330
mentioned one I'll mention one book that

1480
01:19:01,850 --> 01:18:59,610
helps people if they want to read it

1481
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:01,860
it's called the end of men and the rise

1482
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:05,760
of women by Hanna rosin more rosin har

1483
01:19:14,770 --> 01:19:09,410
OSI in Chapter after Chapter she shows

1484
01:19:19,670 --> 01:19:14,780
that there are more women leaders in

1485
01:19:25,940 --> 01:19:19,680
military law academic world the business

1486
01:19:30,070 --> 01:19:25,950
world these these women are just as

1487
01:19:32,180 --> 01:19:30,080
competent as men but they are more

1488
01:19:35,810 --> 01:19:32,190
compassionate and they are more willing

1489
01:19:39,470 --> 01:19:35,820
to discuss matters there they're willing

1490
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:39,480
to negotiate so men tend to be more

1491
01:19:44,900 --> 01:19:44,010
competitive and these women leaders are

1492
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:44,910
more cooperative

1493
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:47,370
now they she says that the war the two

1494
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:50,250
areas is not yet true that women are the

1495
01:19:56,990 --> 01:19:54,810
primary leaders in the u.s. one example

1496
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:57,000
is the Congress there are more males and

1497
01:20:01,300 --> 01:19:58,800
females in the Congress and there are

1498
01:20:03,710 --> 01:20:01,310
more males than females in

1499
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:03,720
mega-corporations because some people

1500
01:20:12,110 --> 01:20:05,280
argue that we don't have a quote

1501
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:12,120
democracy unquote we have a system built

1502
01:20:19,550 --> 01:20:16,400
on corporation we have a corporate CE

1503
01:20:21,980 --> 01:20:19,560
that's the and that really determines

1504
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:21,990
whether we are good bad or indifferent

1505
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:26,850
for example there's recent dust-up about

1506
01:20:33,380 --> 01:20:30,570
religious freedom religious liberty in

1507
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:33,390
Indiana and it was so intriguing to me

1508
01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:36,330
to see that Walmart and some of the

1509
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:38,450
other corporations came in and said hey

1510
01:20:43,550 --> 01:20:40,560
we don't want to have people

1511
01:20:46,460 --> 01:20:43,560
discriminating against gays we've got

1512
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:46,470
this kind of a business operation going

1513
01:20:52,990 --> 01:20:50,250
and some people said that the Indiana

1514
01:20:56,380 --> 01:20:53,000
lawmakers are listening as much to the

1515
01:21:01,870 --> 01:20:56,390
corporation's as they are to the people

1516
01:21:06,140 --> 01:21:01,880
so so it's an interesting question as

1517
01:21:09,260 --> 01:21:06,150
are the corporations pro-democracy are

1518
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:09,270
they pro-business are they Pro well it's

1519
01:21:14,510 --> 01:21:10,850
interesting because more and more people

1520
01:21:17,690 --> 01:21:14,520
no matter whether we are US citizens or

1521
01:21:23,660 --> 01:21:17,700
whether we are from Nairobi or Australia

1522
01:21:26,180 --> 01:21:23,670
more and more people are less and less

1523
01:21:29,150 --> 01:21:26,190
violent even though there are Wars going

1524
01:21:33,620 --> 01:21:29,160
on people are losing their lives being

1525
01:21:36,190 --> 01:21:33,630
shot and bombed in general the level of

1526
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:36,200
violence is coming down and in general

1527
01:21:41,630 --> 01:21:38,970
there are more people who are gathering

1528
01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:41,640
in groups in a peaceful way to

1529
01:21:51,620 --> 01:21:44,490
demonstrate for their particular review

1530
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:51,630
whether it's anti racial or anti ageism

1531
01:22:00,380 --> 01:21:56,730
or whatever it is that and I find

1532
01:22:03,650 --> 01:22:00,390
exciting because we have been basing our

1533
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:03,660
philosophy on fight fight cancer fight

1534
01:22:11,060 --> 01:22:08,610
discrimination by war on drugs yeah

1535
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:11,070
Norah's people who are a Christian say

1536
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:14,210
Jesus said love thy neighbor as thyself

1537
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:16,800
which is fascinating because that means

1538
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:19,920
we gotta love ourselves first then our

1539
01:22:24,740 --> 01:22:23,040
neighbor and then our God whereas the

1540
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:24,750
patriarchs they turn it around they said

1541
01:22:32,060 --> 01:22:29,760
Oh God why you got a fear not love you

1542
01:22:35,650 --> 01:22:32,070
got a fear of God and then fear your

1543
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:35,660
neighbor and then fear yourself so the

1544
01:22:40,850 --> 01:22:38,010
patriarchal view that men not only

1545
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:40,860
protect women and children but possess

1546
01:22:45,980 --> 01:22:43,650
women and children and possess mother

1547
01:22:48,940 --> 01:22:45,990
earth and can rape her for oil and gas

1548
01:22:52,670 --> 01:22:48,950
ago that that philosophy is shifting and

1549
01:22:56,300 --> 01:22:52,680
it would suggest to me that not only are

1550
01:22:57,710 --> 01:22:56,310
we going to have more female leaders but

1551
01:23:01,820 --> 01:22:57,720
we're also going to have more peaceful

1552
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:01,830
world well getting back to you know

1553
01:23:09,150 --> 01:23:04,850
stepping back to the energy situation

1554
01:23:11,790 --> 01:23:09,160
you know I I really really hope that

1555
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:11,800
I mean that would be the answer to so

1556
01:23:17,220 --> 01:23:14,410
many things but also just the fact that

1557
01:23:20,190 --> 01:23:17,230
we are actually heading toward doom the

1558
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:20,200
way you know for instance every single

1559
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:23,890
week every single week China is opening

1560
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:27,370
a new coal plant power plant and you

1561
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:29,530
know the coal burning we're doing is is

1562
01:23:34,020 --> 01:23:32,050
out of control and there's you know

1563
01:23:37,170 --> 01:23:34,030
there's mercury in the water because of

1564
01:23:39,570 --> 01:23:37,180
it there's there's gonna be a you know

1565
01:23:43,830 --> 01:23:39,580
in I have a person that's been on the

1566
01:23:45,780 --> 01:23:43,840
show he's a friend he's in Beijing and

1567
01:23:48,900 --> 01:23:45,790
he can't go out of the house without

1568
01:23:52,110 --> 01:23:48,910
wearing a mask that's how you know

1569
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:52,120
that's how they live it's it's getting

1570
01:23:59,310 --> 01:23:56,290
nasty and then the air currents will

1571
01:24:00,930 --> 01:23:59,320
bring the acid rain and coal fallout

1572
01:24:03,630 --> 01:24:00,940
over to the United States and the East

1573
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:03,640
Coast mostly so you know I mean there's

1574
01:24:09,510 --> 01:24:04,930
there's something that has to be

1575
01:24:12,990 --> 01:24:09,520
addressed with this the increase in

1576
01:24:16,590 --> 01:24:13,000
nuclear weapons is also a threat to

1577
01:24:21,690 --> 01:24:16,600
peace on the planet there are efforts

1578
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:21,700
both to decrease the number of bombs and

1579
01:24:29,850 --> 01:24:26,410
to negotiate arms treaty versus the

1580
01:24:31,500 --> 01:24:29,860
other side of where people want to

1581
01:24:35,490 --> 01:24:31,510
destroy the neighbor you know whether

1582
01:24:38,820 --> 01:24:35,500
Iran and Israel can actually learn to

1583
01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:38,830
cooperate even though they have quote

1584
01:24:46,500 --> 01:24:41,760
different God's unquote different Iggy's

1585
01:24:49,260 --> 01:24:46,510
background so it seems to me that one

1586
01:24:51,870 --> 01:24:49,270
can either take the negative point of

1587
01:24:53,970 --> 01:24:51,880
view that says we are killing ourselves

1588
01:24:58,880 --> 01:24:53,980
we're destroying the planet which is

1589
01:25:03,120 --> 01:24:58,890
true or take the point of view if we

1590
01:25:07,260 --> 01:25:03,130
want to stop that then we have to

1591
01:25:13,540 --> 01:25:07,270
embrace you know I don't know if you

1592
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:17,020
anyway it's a character of swine who's

1593
01:25:23,530 --> 01:25:19,610
kind of a naive and a rat that's kind of

1594
01:25:27,130 --> 01:25:23,540
sly and shifty and other other animal

1595
01:25:29,140 --> 01:25:27,140
characters and the piglet is trying to

1596
01:25:31,060 --> 01:25:29,150
be nice and he says love thy neighbor

1597
01:25:35,490 --> 01:25:31,070
and the rat looked and said have you

1598
01:25:38,140 --> 01:25:35,500
seen my neighbor the same way with

1599
01:25:39,820 --> 01:25:38,150
Israelis and the Iranians are going to

1600
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:39,830
have to learn to live together on this

1601
01:25:45,700 --> 01:25:42,800
planet otherwise the nuclear war and we

1602
01:25:49,060 --> 01:25:45,710
destroy the entire planet or at least

1603
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:49,070
partial and make it rough so to me I

1604
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:51,850
take the point of view that it's a

1605
01:25:58,060 --> 01:25:55,040
initiation it's a crisis and I'm hoping

1606
01:25:59,710 --> 01:25:58,070
that we pass it successfully although

1607
01:26:02,140 --> 01:25:59,720
one of my friends he was kind of a

1608
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:02,150
skeptic he saying Leo you know he's

1609
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:04,130
talking about peace and non-violence and

1610
01:26:09,130 --> 01:26:06,050
so I said what if what do we blow

1611
01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:09,140
ourselves up and I say well we'll pick

1612
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:10,490
up our souls and we'll go to another

1613
01:26:28,570 --> 01:26:13,010
planet start all over oh he looked at me

1614
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:28,580
said oh well so getting back well no I

1615
01:26:32,410 --> 01:26:29,930
actually want to talk a little more

1616
01:26:35,410 --> 01:26:32,420
about this because you've been around

1617
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:35,420
this for for such a long time and what

1618
01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:38,810
do you think about the work that like

1619
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:41,450
Robert Hastings has done on you know

1620
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:43,730
nuclear warheads when it comes to the

1621
01:26:48,940 --> 01:26:47,210
UFO interruptions and things like that

1622
01:26:59,590 --> 01:26:48,950
have you ever looked into that topic at

1623
01:27:02,710 --> 01:26:59,600
all military ex-military people not

1624
01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:02,720
people who are active about their

1625
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:04,880
encounters and what's intriguing to me

1626
01:27:10,510 --> 01:27:07,610
is that over and over there have been

1627
01:27:13,630 --> 01:27:10,520
bases where the Power has turned off and

1628
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:13,640
the nuclear warheads sit in the silo and

1629
01:27:21,820 --> 01:27:18,170
they aren't on a scent so it would

1630
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:21,830
suggest to me as a reader and I'm not

1631
01:27:28,500 --> 01:27:26,080
familiar with nuclear warheads or with

1632
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:28,510
you know what it takes to run a military

1633
01:27:36,090 --> 01:27:32,010
base um I dunno over in cheyenne their

1634
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:36,100
silos and missiles at the ready but it

1635
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:37,930
would suggest to me that the et's know

1636
01:27:42,270 --> 01:27:40,000
how to turn it off and so they are

1637
01:27:45,930 --> 01:27:42,280
demonstrating it and they're saying you

1638
01:27:49,020 --> 01:27:45,940
guys got to learn some other way to deal

1639
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:49,030
with one another and then learn to deal

1640
01:27:55,380 --> 01:27:51,850
with us and we'll come and help you when

1641
01:27:59,640 --> 01:27:55,390
you're ready so that's my philosophy and

1642
01:28:02,040 --> 01:27:59,650
that's what I hope to instill in the

1643
01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:02,050
hearts and minds and souls of those

1644
01:28:09,420 --> 01:28:07,600
around me well yeah you know that whole

1645
01:28:12,780 --> 01:28:09,430
that whole thing I've had you know I've

1646
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:12,790
had Robert on I've had Bob Salas and and

1647
01:28:19,260 --> 01:28:15,090
we you know when they someone that has a

1648
01:28:22,140 --> 01:28:19,270
first-hand experience it's just you just

1649
01:28:25,590 --> 01:28:22,150
can't explain that stuff away because

1650
01:28:28,140 --> 01:28:25,600
just just - it's too baffan it doesn't

1651
01:28:41,850 --> 01:28:28,150
you know a skeptic can't can really deal

1652
01:28:44,220 --> 01:28:41,860
with that exactly and you know that that

1653
01:28:47,310 --> 01:28:44,230
does that does happen I mean you know

1654
01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:47,320
I've heard for instance an astronomer

1655
01:28:53,190 --> 01:28:50,800
talked about that I was on Bill and

1656
01:28:57,540 --> 01:28:53,200
Nancy burns show the other night and

1657
01:29:00,930 --> 01:28:57,550
Bill mentioned that some astronomers

1658
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:00,940
that we're doing detail work I forget

1659
01:29:05,730 --> 01:29:03,250
exactly what he said but they see UFOs

1660
01:29:07,710 --> 01:29:05,740
and they get mad because they're taking

1661
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:07,720
a picture and it gets in the picture and

1662
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:09,370
it frustrates them they have to take it

1663
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:11,410
over again for like a constellation or

1664
01:29:18,090 --> 01:29:15,370
something I don't know how I don't know

1665
01:29:21,990 --> 01:29:18,100
how accurate that is but it is sure it

1666
01:29:24,950 --> 01:29:22,000
sure it sounds great when you have gone

1667
01:29:27,060 --> 01:29:24,960
through all this time have your

1668
01:29:29,370 --> 01:29:27,070
interests changed in different

1669
01:29:39,449 --> 01:29:29,380
directions or you're pretty much open to

1670
01:29:49,709 --> 01:29:43,500
and so for example many of my friends

1671
01:29:54,689 --> 01:29:49,719
and MUFON mutual UFO network and I get a

1672
01:29:56,399 --> 01:29:54,699
copy of the journal but I found myself

1673
01:29:59,429 --> 01:29:56,409
of the years becoming less and less

1674
01:30:02,219 --> 01:29:59,439
interested in a detailed report of the

1675
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:02,229
sighting which began at 6:43 and ended

1676
01:30:10,410 --> 01:30:06,489
at 10:50 tuned and this light and that

1677
01:30:13,169 --> 01:30:10,420
light I find myself much more interested

1678
01:30:17,669 --> 01:30:13,179
in the people for example it Betty and

1679
01:30:22,259 --> 01:30:17,679
Barney Hill it was such a relief to talk

1680
01:30:23,759 --> 01:30:22,269
with them compared to the other 1966 TV

1681
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:23,769
programs when we were talking about

1682
01:30:30,020 --> 01:30:26,880
flying saucers is it true or is it false

1683
01:30:35,339 --> 01:30:30,030
it seems to me that a lot of time was

1684
01:30:40,819 --> 01:30:35,349
used to debate something that should be

1685
01:30:47,759 --> 01:30:40,829
a non-issue so to me the secret keepers

1686
01:30:49,469 --> 01:30:47,769
have kept it up not only with lies but

1687
01:30:51,810 --> 01:30:49,479
they're much more skilled than just

1688
01:30:52,830 --> 01:30:51,820
telling lies like say no you're a stupid

1689
01:30:53,219 --> 01:30:52,840
you don't know what you're talking

1690
01:31:03,199 --> 01:30:53,229
about

1691
01:31:07,100 --> 01:31:03,209
this kind of cloud and so this question

1692
01:31:11,370 --> 01:31:07,110
question question and doubt doubt doubt

1693
01:31:15,419 --> 01:31:11,380
allows the secret keepers to keep the

1694
01:31:17,429 --> 01:31:15,429
secret while the rest of us should go

1695
01:31:19,529 --> 01:31:17,439
about well I don't know everything and

1696
01:31:22,020 --> 01:31:19,539
so maybe they know what they're talking

1697
01:31:24,060 --> 01:31:22,030
about and maybe I didn't really see a

1698
01:31:29,060 --> 01:31:24,070
flying saucer maybe I didn't really talk

1699
01:31:33,890 --> 01:31:29,070
to any eighty no that's part of the

1700
01:31:38,850 --> 01:31:33,900
master plan is to cloud or disguise or

1701
01:31:42,029 --> 01:31:38,860
to disrupt public awareness got the e

1702
01:31:44,580 --> 01:31:42,039
teaser here the ETS have energy

1703
01:31:48,330 --> 01:31:44,590
technologies as soon as we grow up and

1704
01:31:50,729 --> 01:31:48,340
play nice we can use the energies to

1705
01:31:51,689 --> 01:31:50,739
develop a better planet and a better

1706
01:31:56,049 --> 01:31:51,699
humanity

1707
01:32:00,790 --> 01:31:56,059
when you when you look into the topic of

1708
01:32:02,740 --> 01:32:00,800
the UFO technology what are what are

1709
01:32:05,319 --> 01:32:02,750
your ideas or what have you heard over

1710
01:32:07,540 --> 01:32:05,329
the years that makes more sense to you

1711
01:32:09,879 --> 01:32:07,550
like the antigravity or whatever it is

1712
01:32:12,310 --> 01:32:09,889
how they can do the 90 degree turn and

1713
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:12,320
all that I've read different things I

1714
01:32:16,390 --> 01:32:14,210
don't have enough technical knowledge to

1715
01:32:22,359 --> 01:32:16,400
be able to evaluate it but I know that

1716
01:32:24,399 --> 01:32:22,369
some engineers have been the guy named

1717
01:32:26,049 --> 01:32:24,409
rich for example was quoted in one

1718
01:32:30,250 --> 01:32:26,059
account really this is Robert Hastings

1719
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:30,260
book or another the UFOs in nooks

1720
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:32,530
quarter in one of the books is saying

1721
01:32:43,569 --> 01:32:38,170
when asked about energy technology said

1722
01:32:45,629 --> 01:32:43,579
he said that it's not like a chemical

1723
01:32:48,609 --> 01:32:45,639
propulsion you know we use chemical

1724
01:32:51,930 --> 01:32:48,619
rockets to move to the moon or whatever

1725
01:32:54,060 --> 01:32:51,940
this is more like the speed of thought

1726
01:32:58,810 --> 01:32:54,070
and I don't know what electrical

1727
01:33:01,089 --> 01:32:58,820
propulsion systems what's involved this

1728
01:33:03,700 --> 01:33:01,099
is from the physical standpoint but I

1729
01:33:05,319 --> 01:33:03,710
know that physicists now talk

1730
01:33:09,430 --> 01:33:05,329
differently than they did twenty or

1731
01:33:13,660 --> 01:33:09,440
thirty years ago the citizens in the old

1732
01:33:18,010 --> 01:33:13,670
days the old science the scientist was

1733
01:33:21,819 --> 01:33:18,020
objective and he will he he was the

1734
01:33:25,109 --> 01:33:21,829
observer now the quantum physicists talk

1735
01:33:29,260 --> 01:33:25,119
about everything is connected

1736
01:33:31,870 --> 01:33:29,270
ions atoms molecules everything is

1737
01:33:34,750 --> 01:33:31,880
connected and the scientist is a

1738
01:33:37,180 --> 01:33:34,760
participant much different attitude

1739
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:37,190
about science much a different attitude

1740
01:33:44,490 --> 01:33:42,170
about physics so that obviously some

1741
01:33:49,359 --> 01:33:44,500
extra trestles have found energy sources

1742
01:33:51,810 --> 01:33:49,369
that allow them to move vehicles in

1743
01:33:55,569 --> 01:33:51,820
different ways into chemical propulsion

1744
01:33:59,229 --> 01:33:55,579
yeah yeah it's the only thing that that

1745
01:34:02,279 --> 01:33:59,239
makes any sense and and we have so much

1746
01:34:05,229 --> 01:34:02,289
to explore in quantum mechanics quantum

1747
01:34:09,189 --> 01:34:05,239
physics and I don't know if you heard

1748
01:34:10,509 --> 01:34:09,199
that CERN is actually there they're

1749
01:34:11,830 --> 01:34:10,519
actually thinking they may have some

1750
01:34:15,310 --> 01:34:11,840
type of breakthrough into another

1751
01:34:16,660 --> 01:34:15,320
dimension that they may prove in short

1752
01:34:18,279 --> 01:34:16,670
time I don't know if you heard anything

1753
01:34:21,370 --> 01:34:18,289
about that but it's so I haven't died

1754
01:34:21,790 --> 01:34:21,380
years ago I talked to briefly with Edgar

1755
01:34:29,850 --> 01:34:21,800
Mitchell

1756
01:34:34,689 --> 01:34:29,860
etic sciences and done much to

1757
01:34:41,350 --> 01:34:34,699
illuminate the connection between energy

1758
01:34:42,430 --> 01:34:41,360
sources and ET observations right right

1759
01:34:44,290 --> 01:34:42,440
yep

1760
01:34:48,220 --> 01:34:44,300
I was trying I've been trying to get dr.

1761
01:34:51,279 --> 01:34:48,230
Mitchell on the show he doesn't do a lot

1762
01:34:53,649 --> 01:34:51,289
of interviews but I would love to have

1763
01:34:57,489 --> 01:34:53,659
him on he's another person who might be

1764
01:35:00,939 --> 01:34:57,499
interested in as a dr. Jones and dr. CB

1765
01:35:04,979 --> 01:35:00,949
Scott Jones he's a former Navy Commander

1766
01:35:08,489 --> 01:35:04,989
and he's been on the inside knowing

1767
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:08,499
something about the military attitudes

1768
01:35:19,330 --> 01:35:15,679
but also hoping to move public along to

1769
01:35:21,910 --> 01:35:19,340
public disco disclosure yeah no I'm not

1770
01:35:24,390 --> 01:35:21,920
I'm not actually familiar with him I'll

1771
01:35:29,620 --> 01:35:24,400
look into it though

1772
01:35:35,109 --> 01:35:29,630
let's see moving along back let's talk a

1773
01:35:38,259 --> 01:35:35,119
little bit more about abductees have you

1774
01:35:44,379 --> 01:35:38,269
actually done regression with many of

1775
01:35:53,279 --> 01:35:44,389
them hypnosis regression and have you

1776
01:36:01,799 --> 01:35:56,859
reports each person feels individual

1777
01:36:05,890 --> 01:36:01,809
it's my experience is my experience but

1778
01:36:08,890 --> 01:36:05,900
the pattern that I see is that the

1779
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:08,900
people who are courageous and who

1780
01:36:15,790 --> 01:36:14,449
explore and try to understand they do

1781
01:36:17,140 --> 01:36:15,800
better than the people who are

1782
01:36:18,099 --> 01:36:17,150
frightened and huddled over in the

1783
01:36:21,909 --> 01:36:18,109
corner

1784
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:21,919
and so I encourage people when they're

1785
01:36:28,750 --> 01:36:25,489
ready not only to explore through

1786
01:36:31,659 --> 01:36:28,760
hypnosis their encounter but also to

1787
01:36:32,469 --> 01:36:31,669
find out was it an abduction were they

1788
01:36:35,799 --> 01:36:32,479
taken

1789
01:36:41,819 --> 01:36:35,809
or were they invited or did they invite

1790
01:36:44,770 --> 01:36:41,829
the person a tease to come just like

1791
01:36:47,349 --> 01:36:44,780
it's kind of a silly story but I know

1792
01:36:50,049 --> 01:36:47,359
what if a high school student said I was

1793
01:36:54,310 --> 01:36:50,059
abducted these guys came and they took

1794
01:36:56,079 --> 01:36:54,320
me to a college campus and there are a

1795
01:36:58,449 --> 01:36:56,089
whole bunch of students and there are a

1796
01:37:00,969 --> 01:36:58,459
whole bunch of teachers and instructors

1797
01:37:02,949 --> 01:37:00,979
and professors oh well

1798
01:37:07,839 --> 01:37:02,959
was that an abduction or was that

1799
01:37:10,899 --> 01:37:07,849
initiation hmm I encourage people to

1800
01:37:16,149 --> 01:37:10,909
consider the possibility that what they

1801
01:37:18,879 --> 01:37:16,159
feel was being taken away from the earth

1802
01:37:24,279 --> 01:37:18,889
was actually being taken toward the

1803
01:37:26,379 --> 01:37:24,289
Stars yeah we had a message up on the

1804
01:37:28,899 --> 01:37:26,389
board here but I think you've more or

1805
01:37:33,459 --> 01:37:28,909
less addressed it um wanting to know

1806
01:37:36,969 --> 01:37:33,469
what you your opinion as opinion is of

1807
01:37:39,159 --> 01:37:36,979
the whole phenomena what what would ET

1808
01:37:42,790 --> 01:37:39,169
or whatever it is happening here be up

1809
01:37:50,079 --> 01:37:42,800
to yeah some people said that there's

1810
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:50,089
two jobs one is to educate and the other

1811
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:54,050
is to monitor the monitoring is what

1812
01:37:59,409 --> 01:37:57,530
most people think about and I'll call it

1813
01:38:02,770 --> 01:37:59,419
the MUFON phase you know we are being

1814
01:38:06,569 --> 01:38:02,780
monitored and here was a craft that

1815
01:38:11,109 --> 01:38:06,579
showed up or here was a object and so on

1816
01:38:13,810 --> 01:38:11,119
and so if we think in terms of the usual

1817
01:38:16,089 --> 01:38:13,820
human response is that we're being

1818
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:16,099
surveyed we're being surveilled we are

1819
01:38:24,579 --> 01:38:21,489
being checked on and that of course

1820
01:38:26,169 --> 01:38:24,589
frightens some people just like some

1821
01:38:29,310 --> 01:38:26,179
people are frightened because the police

1822
01:38:34,460 --> 01:38:29,320
are checking on them

1823
01:38:37,620 --> 01:38:34,470
but are the police checking on them to

1824
01:38:40,050 --> 01:38:37,630
to harm them well in some cases of some

1825
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:40,060
racial minorities feel Eunice

1826
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:45,850
that's happens and so we have a feeling

1827
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:48,970
that if we're being surveyed if we're

1828
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:51,610
being monitored that that's the negative

1829
01:38:54,810 --> 01:38:53,290
thing but other people say hey I'm glad

1830
01:38:56,250 --> 01:38:54,820
that the police are checking on our

1831
01:38:57,510 --> 01:38:56,260
neighborhood because you got something

1832
01:39:04,110 --> 01:38:57,520
strange going on here

1833
01:39:06,810 --> 01:39:04,120
so so the the focus that I take is that

1834
01:39:11,130 --> 01:39:06,820
I've been interested in this monitoring

1835
01:39:13,110 --> 01:39:11,140
and I I used to read all the reports I

1836
01:39:16,380 --> 01:39:13,120
could get but then it became more more

1837
01:39:18,810 --> 01:39:16,390
interested in the people and less and

1838
01:39:21,900 --> 01:39:18,820
less interested in what they saw or what

1839
01:39:25,170 --> 01:39:21,910
they experienced I wanted them to tell

1840
01:39:28,890 --> 01:39:25,180
me what they learned from the experience

1841
01:39:31,100 --> 01:39:28,900
it's like you know exit polls and you

1842
01:39:34,380 --> 01:39:31,110
find out what people did in the voting

1843
01:39:37,500 --> 01:39:34,390
to me that's more fun than it is in a

1844
01:39:41,430 --> 01:39:37,510
pre pol and the same way to find out

1845
01:39:43,020 --> 01:39:41,440
from people after their encounter rather

1846
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:43,030
than to talk to people about the

1847
01:39:49,830 --> 01:39:46,210
possibility of an encounter all right I

1848
01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:49,840
have to say that the thing that I think

1849
01:39:58,800 --> 01:39:54,250
makes most sense is more along exactly

1850
01:40:01,020 --> 01:39:58,810
what you just said and that is you know

1851
01:40:04,970 --> 01:40:01,030
I think it's very possible that we are

1852
01:40:07,770 --> 01:40:04,980
being watched you know maybe that's

1853
01:40:11,370 --> 01:40:07,780
someone as a thinking I might be going

1854
01:40:14,130 --> 01:40:11,380
out there a little bit on a limb by

1855
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:14,140
saying that but it does kind of make you

1856
01:40:20,220 --> 01:40:17,410
wonder if we're being observed and

1857
01:40:23,220 --> 01:40:20,230
watched with all the you know all the

1858
01:40:26,610 --> 01:40:23,230
sightings that go on and and the suppose

1859
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:26,620
a ton of abductions that happen and all

1860
01:40:30,990 --> 01:40:29,050
that it just kind of makes you wonder

1861
01:40:33,810 --> 01:40:31,000
what else it could be

1862
01:40:36,420 --> 01:40:33,820
really sure and many people say that

1863
01:40:39,540 --> 01:40:36,430
there are UFO sightings it's in terms of

1864
01:40:41,430 --> 01:40:39,550
the message just like some people said

1865
01:40:43,319 --> 01:40:41,440
are there connections between the

1866
01:40:49,109 --> 01:40:43,329
extra-terrestrial

1867
01:40:53,379 --> 01:40:49,119
experiences and the crop circles and

1868
01:40:55,149 --> 01:40:53,389
some UFO researchers don't want to mix

1869
01:40:57,719 --> 01:40:55,159
up those things they want they don't

1870
01:41:01,929 --> 01:40:57,729
want me to mix up ESP and reincarnation

1871
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:01,939
and messages along with the sightings

1872
01:41:09,129 --> 01:41:04,489
you know that's just a one with one

1873
01:41:11,770 --> 01:41:09,139
thing the trouble is it's like saying we

1874
01:41:13,419 --> 01:41:11,780
want to stay with one topic in a college

1875
01:41:15,729 --> 01:41:13,429
now what would that topic be would that

1876
01:41:21,189 --> 01:41:15,739
be science would that be history would

1877
01:41:22,629 --> 01:41:21,199
that be art would that be music the

1878
01:41:25,719 --> 01:41:22,639
college of the university you're gonna

1879
01:41:30,549 --> 01:41:25,729
have to find that there are many many

1880
01:41:33,789 --> 01:41:30,559
many topics someone wants to know now I

1881
01:41:36,549 --> 01:41:33,799
I think I've only heard someone say in

1882
01:41:38,459 --> 01:41:36,559
account of this one time before but

1883
01:41:41,649 --> 01:41:38,469
someone wants to know have you ever

1884
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:41,659
heard about et where they were dropping

1885
01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:45,679
cars I think I heard something about

1886
01:41:54,669 --> 01:41:53,209
that in a cornfield one time I think

1887
01:41:57,759 --> 01:41:54,679
there was a story about that in some

1888
01:41:59,919 --> 01:41:57,769
cornfield and some farm or this came

1889
01:42:08,429 --> 01:41:59,929
over and a car was dropped from it

1890
01:42:15,819 --> 01:42:10,689
one of the questions would come to my

1891
01:42:20,500 --> 01:42:19,000
where was it picked up and and then you

1892
01:42:22,270 --> 01:42:20,510
know is there a connection is there a

1893
01:42:23,949 --> 01:42:22,280
message that's that's always the

1894
01:42:29,669 --> 01:42:23,959
question that comes to my mind is there

1895
01:42:32,379 --> 01:42:29,679
a message in the experience yeah right

1896
01:42:35,279 --> 01:42:32,389
all the cases that you've researched

1897
01:42:38,559 --> 01:42:35,289
over the years is there any one that

1898
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:38,569
stands out to you were you you think of

1899
01:42:45,459 --> 01:42:42,010
it often like that was really something

1900
01:42:49,719 --> 01:42:45,469
I've been so many I don't know like like

1901
01:42:52,359 --> 01:42:49,729
a woman who's from Canada car she wrote

1902
01:42:54,690 --> 01:42:52,369
about her experiences so many people

1903
01:42:59,440 --> 01:42:54,700
write about their experiences

1904
01:43:02,170 --> 01:42:59,450
what stands out to me is not so much the

1905
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:02,180
experience but how the person handle it

1906
01:43:07,420 --> 01:43:04,970
just like in counseling when I would

1907
01:43:09,220 --> 01:43:07,430
work with a college student there are

1908
01:43:11,980 --> 01:43:09,230
some students who came in with stories

1909
01:43:16,060 --> 01:43:11,990
of poverty some discrimination some

1910
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:16,070
people with sexual abuse with verbal

1911
01:43:25,210 --> 01:43:20,330
abuse or neglect there are all kinds of

1912
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:25,220
stories of people who are suffering what

1913
01:43:34,270 --> 01:43:29,360
intrigues me is when the person uses the

1914
01:43:36,550 --> 01:43:34,280
suffering not only to deal with his or

1915
01:43:40,300 --> 01:43:36,560
her situation but also to help others

1916
01:43:43,300 --> 01:43:40,310
and we find this over and over and over

1917
01:43:47,260 --> 01:43:43,310
that the people who in my opinion are

1918
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:47,270
heroic are the women or the men of the

1919
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:51,050
boys are the girls who not only learn to

1920
01:43:59,610 --> 01:43:53,210
help themselves but learn to help others

1921
01:44:03,520 --> 01:43:59,620
on the tonight's news we see some of the

1922
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:03,530
stories of people who suffered injuries

1923
01:44:12,730 --> 01:44:07,210
or loss of limb at the Boston Marathon

1924
01:44:15,970 --> 01:44:12,740
when the bombs exploded and some of the

1925
01:44:19,510 --> 01:44:15,980
families some of the people may feel

1926
01:44:22,630 --> 01:44:19,520
hate toward the Bombers but many people

1927
01:44:26,500 --> 01:44:22,640
didn't focus so much on the Bombers and

1928
01:44:29,230 --> 01:44:26,510
as they focused on how they learned how

1929
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:29,240
to get an artificial leg how to walk and

1930
01:44:34,150 --> 01:44:31,610
then how to help other people who are

1931
01:44:36,970 --> 01:44:34,160
learning how to walk and so those are

1932
01:44:39,100 --> 01:44:36,980
the stories that didn't ring me not only

1933
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:39,110
overcoming suffering but helping others

1934
01:44:47,740 --> 01:44:42,730
to deal with their sufferings right yeah

1935
01:44:51,390 --> 01:44:47,750
and I think I think that is you know

1936
01:44:55,090 --> 01:44:51,400
part of our culture and also part of how

1937
01:44:57,340 --> 01:44:55,100
things work is for instance you know you

1938
01:45:00,520 --> 01:44:57,350
were talking earlier about free and

1939
01:45:02,830 --> 01:45:00,530
other associations like that where

1940
01:45:04,540 --> 01:45:02,840
people can share you know and the

1941
01:45:06,160 --> 01:45:04,550
gentleman you were speaking to his legs

1942
01:45:08,470 --> 01:45:06,170
were shaking who's so nervous talking

1943
01:45:10,270 --> 01:45:08,480
about it but the

1944
01:45:12,490 --> 01:45:10,280
people are the people I have talked to

1945
01:45:15,010 --> 01:45:12,500
seem to get a real sense of relief and

1946
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:15,020
if this was truly happening to me I

1947
01:45:24,810 --> 01:45:18,410
don't know I don't know how I could you

1948
01:45:28,440 --> 01:45:24,820
know live a normal life okay there's a

1949
01:45:34,780 --> 01:45:28,450
someone want to know did you investigate

1950
01:45:37,330 --> 01:45:34,790
reproduction cases some people who say

1951
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:37,340
that they have a hybrid child some

1952
01:45:46,750 --> 01:45:41,690
people report being on crafts and seeing

1953
01:45:50,950 --> 01:45:46,760
the hybrid children some people feel

1954
01:45:54,790 --> 01:45:50,960
like they have had sexual encounters

1955
01:45:57,729 --> 01:45:54,800
with ETS some field that they have

1956
01:46:00,880 --> 01:45:57,739
served more as on and what you call it

1957
01:46:04,510 --> 01:46:00,890
the implants that they have become

1958
01:46:07,780 --> 01:46:04,520
pregnant without sexual activity and

1959
01:46:10,990 --> 01:46:07,790
then later the fetus was taken and they

1960
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:11,000
were told by ETS that that their child

1961
01:46:20,380 --> 01:46:16,930
was on board and circling the planet

1962
01:46:21,940 --> 01:46:20,390
what some people have assumed I don't

1963
01:46:25,750 --> 01:46:21,950
know if this is true but what some

1964
01:46:29,440 --> 01:46:25,760
people felt was that this is a secondary

1965
01:46:32,310 --> 01:46:29,450
program the primary program is to help

1966
01:46:34,210 --> 01:46:32,320
humans grow up and get ready for

1967
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:34,220
returning to the stars

1968
01:46:39,010 --> 01:46:36,890
well the secondary program is if we

1969
01:46:42,310 --> 01:46:39,020
don't if we kill ourselves off when we

1970
01:46:45,190 --> 01:46:42,320
destroy the planet or at least destroy

1971
01:46:48,030 --> 01:46:45,200
humanity then the hybrid children would

1972
01:46:52,300 --> 01:46:48,040
take over and they would be able to

1973
01:46:53,530 --> 01:46:52,310
replenish the planet I don't know if

1974
01:46:56,920 --> 01:46:53,540
that's true or not but it's an

1975
01:46:59,440 --> 01:46:56,930
interesting view that it's not a kind of

1976
01:47:00,580 --> 01:46:59,450
my program but a secondary program well

1977
01:47:02,290 --> 01:47:00,590
they'd have to live with radiation

1978
01:47:05,500 --> 01:47:02,300
because that's probably the way we'd go

1979
01:47:08,110 --> 01:47:05,510
out you know probably so yeah

1980
01:47:11,650 --> 01:47:08,120
and you know we're talking about that

1981
01:47:15,580 --> 01:47:11,660
earlier and that's uh I think there was

1982
01:47:18,250 --> 01:47:15,590
a some documentary I was watching about

1983
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:18,260
the nukes and you know we have certainly

1984
01:47:22,390 --> 01:47:21,770
we have cut them down but I think it's

1985
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:22,400
like

1986
01:47:27,100 --> 01:47:24,290
20 times we can blow ourselves up it's

1987
01:47:31,020 --> 01:47:27,110
it's scary and and then all is it's

1988
01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:31,030
going to take is some misread situation

1989
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:35,210
or third-world country or whatever it is

1990
01:47:41,410 --> 01:47:39,650
you know engaging it is a it is scary

1991
01:47:45,550 --> 01:47:41,420
times and you know there's nothing we

1992
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:45,560
can do to unring the bell and oh yeah

1993
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:47,810
there are things we can do are you

1994
01:47:53,530 --> 01:47:51,530
familiar with hormonal no let's hear

1995
01:47:56,740 --> 01:47:53,540
about that there's a book called the

1996
01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:56,750
zero limits zero limits by a guy named

1997
01:48:04,209 --> 01:48:00,800
Joe by Tom immediately it be Vitale and

1998
01:48:08,580 --> 01:48:04,219
Joe Votel and tells the story of dr.

1999
01:48:11,320 --> 01:48:08,590
Hugh Lynn a PhD psychologist

2000
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:11,330
japanese-american who was living in

2001
01:48:25,209 --> 01:48:19,370
Hawaii and dr. Lynn borrowed a process

2002
01:48:28,090 --> 01:48:25,219
from a woman Hawaiian man she used her

2003
01:48:31,780 --> 01:48:28,100
pono ponal in dealing with contentious

2004
01:48:36,990 --> 01:48:31,790
family issues people who were quarreling

2005
01:48:39,189 --> 01:48:37,000
with their family members and so he

2006
01:48:44,950 --> 01:48:39,199
developed kind of an individualized

2007
01:48:48,280 --> 01:48:44,960
approach to use it the story goes that

2008
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:48,290
he would sit in his office and he'd look

2009
01:48:54,700 --> 01:48:51,170
at the chart of an inmate

2010
01:48:57,160 --> 01:48:54,710
he was in a criminally insane award in

2011
01:49:02,350 --> 01:48:57,170
hospital so there'd be rapists or

2012
01:49:04,689 --> 01:49:02,360
killers who were housed in the ward in

2013
01:49:07,060 --> 01:49:04,699
the prison and he would look at the

2014
01:49:11,890 --> 01:49:07,070
chart of a killer or a rapist or whoever

2015
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:11,900
and he would send a message to the

2016
01:49:21,459 --> 01:49:16,250
universe and to the individual soul of

2017
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:21,469
the person primarily for himself he

2018
01:49:27,580 --> 01:49:23,570
would he would look at the photo you'd

2019
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:27,590
say I love you I'm so sorry for my

2020
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:30,320
perception of you please forgive me

2021
01:49:34,689 --> 01:49:32,810
thank you in other words he was saying I

2022
01:49:36,220 --> 01:49:34,699
perceive you as a criminal I perceive

2023
01:49:38,980 --> 01:49:36,230
you as a killer or rapist

2024
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:38,990
whatever but I'm sorry for my perception

2025
01:49:47,340 --> 01:49:43,610
his thesis is that he is responsible for

2026
01:49:51,220 --> 01:49:47,350
his perceptions as well as his actions

2027
01:49:53,830 --> 01:49:51,230
now in our society we we think we are

2028
01:49:56,740 --> 01:49:53,840
good because we are responsible for our

2029
01:49:59,320 --> 01:49:56,750
actions if I step on your toe and I

2030
01:50:01,900 --> 01:49:59,330
break it Tom well your friends would say

2031
01:50:04,090 --> 01:50:01,910
hey Leo come on I paid the medical bill

2032
01:50:05,020 --> 01:50:04,100
for Martin because you stepped on his

2033
01:50:09,910 --> 01:50:05,030
toe and you broke it

2034
01:50:13,300 --> 01:50:09,920
well if I have a perception of you that

2035
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:13,310
is bothersome to me then I can use whole

2036
01:50:22,180 --> 01:50:15,650
puddle polar to deal with my perception

2037
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:22,190
so what happened was intriguing not only

2038
01:50:27,940 --> 01:50:24,530
did he feel better about himself working

2039
01:50:31,480 --> 01:50:27,950
with these guys but also according to

2040
01:50:33,690 --> 01:50:31,490
observers after a few weeks and after a

2041
01:50:37,270 --> 01:50:33,700
few months the shackles came off the

2042
01:50:38,710 --> 01:50:37,280
medications went down the staff had come

2043
01:50:40,150 --> 01:50:38,720
to work they were no longer threatened

2044
01:50:42,970 --> 01:50:40,160
or attacked and then after four or five

2045
01:50:44,860 --> 01:50:42,980
years the ward was closed there are

2046
01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:44,870
still some common criminals who were

2047
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:47,570
sent to other prisons but they were no

2048
01:50:56,290 --> 01:50:51,610
longer insane so here's a beautiful

2049
01:51:01,030 --> 01:50:56,300
process and to me it not only fits in

2050
01:51:03,940 --> 01:51:01,040
mystical religious spiritual use but it

2051
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:03,950
also fits the modern quantum physics

2052
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:07,130
world of the physically said that

2053
01:51:13,570 --> 01:51:09,440
everything is connected if a person

2054
01:51:16,870 --> 01:51:13,580
feels that the people who are holding on

2055
01:51:21,060 --> 01:51:16,880
to the secrets of the ETS and then the

2056
01:51:24,490 --> 01:51:21,070
people holding on to their fear of

2057
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:24,500
encroachment by ETS or by their

2058
01:51:33,310 --> 01:51:30,080
neighboring nations they can use whole

2059
01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:33,320
holy ponal I love you I'm so sorry for

2060
01:51:39,820 --> 01:51:35,330
my perception of you you you

2061
01:51:45,370 --> 01:51:39,830
jerk head please forgive me thank you so

2062
01:51:47,570 --> 01:51:45,380
the process is meant to assist the

2063
01:51:50,690 --> 01:51:47,580
person who's going through it

2064
01:51:53,710 --> 01:51:50,700
but it seems as if the process helps the

2065
01:51:56,810 --> 01:51:53,720
rest of us - mm-hmm

2066
01:52:01,190 --> 01:51:56,820
have you through your long career in

2067
01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:01,200
this or or study or interest have you

2068
01:52:06,890 --> 01:52:03,570
ever been frustrated the way things are

2069
01:52:08,930 --> 01:52:06,900
going or you sort of got out of it for a

2070
01:52:11,110 --> 01:52:08,940
while have you been steady at it ever

2071
01:52:18,770 --> 01:52:11,120
since

2072
01:52:21,650 --> 01:52:18,780
continue the frustration that would peel

2073
01:52:23,540 --> 01:52:21,660
as a human is there just like when I was

2074
01:52:25,340 --> 01:52:23,550
told that I couldn't be professor in

2075
01:52:28,100 --> 01:52:25,350
psychology so I became professor of

2076
01:52:31,940 --> 01:52:28,110
counseling services and just like I was

2077
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:31,950
told don't do reincarnation research or

2078
01:52:36,620 --> 01:52:33,810
UFO searching the office hours so I do

2079
01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:36,630
it after hours then when I left I was

2080
01:52:42,500 --> 01:52:38,370
told you know I left the University I

2081
01:52:46,490 --> 01:52:42,510
said okay I can't continue because the

2082
01:52:51,500 --> 01:52:46,500
pressure was not only to not do my

2083
01:52:55,970 --> 01:52:51,510
research the pressure was on me as a

2084
01:52:59,060 --> 01:52:55,980
person and so I would say whole bottle

2085
01:53:06,130 --> 01:52:59,070
pono to people and I left the University

2086
01:53:09,350 --> 01:53:06,140
and went into a private practice so it

2087
01:53:11,890 --> 01:53:09,360
it's better from my standpoint for me

2088
01:53:16,070 --> 01:53:11,900
not to dwell too much on hate and fear

2089
01:53:20,350 --> 01:53:16,080
me I was taught as a Christian boy that

2090
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:20,360
you should dwell on love and compassion

2091
01:53:27,890 --> 01:53:24,090
right right on the message board someone

2092
01:53:31,790 --> 01:53:27,900
wanted to know that they heard that

2093
01:53:34,190 --> 01:53:31,800
someone talked to Hynek someone from the

2094
01:53:37,370 --> 01:53:34,200
dead I'm trying to understand that

2095
01:53:41,780 --> 01:53:37,380
exactly stating that ETS were not what

2096
01:53:44,300 --> 01:53:41,790
we think and what the heck are they then

2097
01:53:47,720 --> 01:53:44,310
type of thing that's interesting and

2098
01:53:50,660 --> 01:53:47,730
that may be true but I myself when I

2099
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:50,670
talk with Alan I think I was on a board

2100
01:53:56,840 --> 01:53:54,330
we meet each year to discuss cases I

2101
01:53:58,730 --> 01:53:56,850
don't remember him saying anything to

2102
01:53:59,930 --> 01:53:58,740
the rest of us along that line but it

2103
01:54:02,730 --> 01:53:59,940
may be true

2104
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:02,740
so what was he like to work he was

2105
01:54:08,610 --> 01:54:04,690
interested in oh he was very bright and

2106
01:54:12,480 --> 01:54:08,620
very charming a gentleman that it's

2107
01:54:15,990 --> 01:54:12,490
quiet sense of humor and I enjoyed those

2108
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:16,000
work when he left the group wallet was

2109
01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:17,850
no longer the same

2110
01:54:25,950 --> 01:54:22,090
he died in 85 and this is intriguing

2111
01:54:32,340 --> 01:54:25,960
because he and Jacque Saleh also another

2112
01:54:38,460 --> 01:54:32,350
PhD they they talked about the UFO

2113
01:54:40,590 --> 01:54:38,470
experience they thinking from my point

2114
01:54:42,630 --> 01:54:40,600
of view they covered more things than

2115
01:54:44,070 --> 01:54:42,640
just quote abductions unquote you know

2116
01:54:46,440 --> 01:54:44,080
people feeling like they were taken away

2117
01:54:48,360 --> 01:54:46,450
they and you don't work with a lot of

2118
01:54:49,950 --> 01:54:48,370
different kinds of people

2119
01:54:55,470 --> 01:54:49,960
cousin felt like there were more

2120
01:54:58,800 --> 01:54:55,480
messages that were and volley of course

2121
01:55:02,940 --> 01:54:58,810
had a more historical point of view than

2122
01:55:06,020 --> 01:55:02,950
many UFO researchers and so he he saw

2123
01:55:11,010 --> 01:55:06,030
some of these kinds of stories in

2124
01:55:15,140 --> 01:55:11,020
cultural mores and cultural themes much

2125
01:55:18,810 --> 01:55:15,150
more open than the average researcher oh

2126
01:55:22,380 --> 01:55:18,820
I see you know we only have we only have

2127
01:55:23,910 --> 01:55:22,390
a minute left so real real quickly that

2128
01:55:26,220 --> 01:55:23,920
was supposedly that someone had

2129
01:55:27,420 --> 01:55:26,230
channeled high-neck after he died I

2130
01:55:30,530 --> 01:55:27,430
don't know if you ever heard anything

2131
01:55:33,090 --> 01:55:30,540
did you ever hear anything about that no

2132
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:33,100
yeah no I don't have any information on

2133
01:55:39,450 --> 01:55:35,290
it's just that this was up on the

2134
01:55:41,870 --> 01:55:39,460
message board this has been a real

2135
01:55:44,940 --> 01:55:41,880
pleasure I consider you you know an icon

2136
01:55:46,980 --> 01:55:44,950
you know like I said your name has been

2137
01:55:49,020 --> 01:55:46,990
in print everywhere and I've heard your

2138
01:55:52,500 --> 01:55:49,030
name over and over account less times

2139
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:52,510
and so it's been a real pleasure talking

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to you tonight well it's a pleasure

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talking with you you allowed me to speak

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freely and I appreciate that thank you

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well it's um it's always nice speaking

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to people that are intelligent and have

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an open mind I think I think it's you

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know and we still have no real answer

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but it's it really is interesting to

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hear the different

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points of view all right well I want to

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thank everyone for helping out with the

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show tonight

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Alejandro Rojas for the news so yes yep

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oh and also I want to thank you as well

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and Carrie Lloyd Whitehouse and Bruce

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Renier for our music

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Peggy shining for managing our Facebook

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all the latest UFO news and we have Dave

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Marlar triangle UFOs some he's going to

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be on next week and at the week after

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that I'm gonna be going down to raze

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Stanford's house and I'm gonna be

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talking with him down there you can

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check us out live next week on the dark

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matter radio network and every Wednesday

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